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paul alan

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Bolting tank down in transit
« on: April 30, 2017, 07:40:33 pm »
Im going to get a 650ltr tank and frame a used 1 .

I have someone whos an engineer thats going to bolt it into the chassis for me but I cant be sure he knows the ins/outs of bolting a water tank in van.

I have also heard that on a transit swb theres a possibilty depending on model that the fuel tank may have to be dropped in order to do the job.

Mines a 2012  t280 swb, anyone got any experience/knowledge?

Cheers

Spruce

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2017, 11:23:22 pm »
I think the fuel tank does sit length ways between the van's chassis rails. If he is going to secure the tank through the chassis then there shouldn't be any reason why he would have to lower the tank. Much would depend on where you want the tank fitted and its orientation.  He would need to keep a 'distance' from the tank securing 'straps' as he will also need to fit spreader plates behind the nuts.

It should be reasonably easy to draw a conclusion by having an inspection under the van and doing a few measurements.
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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2017, 11:42:43 pm »
Spruce, you are very informative on these matters, and indeed a credit and invaluable asset to this forum😉

Don Simon

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2017, 05:46:55 am »
Spruce, you are very informative on these matters, and indeed a credit and invaluable asset to this forum😉
+1
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Lee GLS

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2017, 08:57:14 am »
I bolted mine in myself on my transit and did not need to drop the tank.

paul alan

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2017, 12:23:55 pm »
The guys just had a look at it, he seems fine with it.

Cheers.

Don Simon

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2017, 02:21:32 pm »
Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture.   Stupid insurance
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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2017, 08:59:13 pm »
Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture.   Stupid insurance

I'm in the middle of doing the same with my new van. I am going to fit my own stainless steel eye bolts with spreader plates underneath but use straps to hold the tank down.

paul alan

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2017, 09:31:52 pm »
Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture.   Stupid insurance

I'm in the middle of doing the same with my new van. I am going to fit my own stainless steel eye bolts with spreader plates underneath but use straps to hold the tank down.
interesting.....what type of steel eye bolts? What kind of straps? Cheers

Lee GLS

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2017, 09:46:23 pm »
Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture.   Stupid insurance

I'm in the middle of doing the same with my new van. I am going to fit my own stainless steel eye bolts with spreader plates underneath but use straps to hold the tank down.
interesting.....what type of steel eye bolts? What kind of straps? Cheers
Eye bolts and I will install them with spreader plates.
http://www.gsproducts.co.uk/12mm-50mm-stainless-steel-long-shank-eye-bolt/


And straps like these
https://www.liftinggear-shop.co.uk/ratchet-strap-5000kg-width-50-mm-length-9-mtr.html?gclid=CMb1gYHIz9MCFUHgGwodMMkFjA

paul alan

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2017, 09:51:50 pm »
Thanks lee, are you confident theyll do the job?

Lee GLS

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2017, 10:23:20 pm »
The breaking load of the M12 is rated at 2500kg, so there will be 6,  and 3 ratchet straps rated at 5000kg. So yes I feel happy with this, they look a lot more robust than the standard tie down points already in the van, I don't really see that it will be much different to having a tank bolted down. I will still have the tank around the frame, just the straps will hold it all down rather than permanent bolts.

Don Kee

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2017, 05:15:18 pm »
Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture.   Stupid insurance

I'm in the middle of doing the same with my new van. I am going to fit my own stainless steel eye bolts with spreader plates underneath but use straps to hold the tank down.


It's a good idea, but wouldn't this be still classed as a modification? (i.e, the modification is adding lashing points?)

If so and it increases your premium as a result (will it?) then surely it'd make more sense to just bolt down the cage with spreaders?
Either way your premium might be higher (a, mine didn't go up even with a tank bolted down and b, this is all under the assumption that what you're doing will be classed as a mod) so why not just bolt down the cage...?
Why don't you have a quick google before making stupid comments?

Lee GLS

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2017, 06:05:45 pm »
The tank isn't a modification as it won't be permanent because it will be held in with straps. Insurance premiums seem to have shot up in the last month. The cheapest I can get insurance for with the tank as a modification is roughly £800, but having it strapped it I can get it for £440.

robert mitchell

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2017, 06:38:38 pm »
Im going to get a 650ltr tank and frame a used 1 .

I have someone whos an engineer thats going to bolt it into the chassis for me but I cant be sure he knows the ins/outs of bolting a water tank in van.

I have also heard that on a transit swb theres a possibilty depending on model that the fuel tank may have to be dropped in order to do the job.

Mines a 2012  t280 swb, anyone got any experience/knowledge?

Cheers

your going to be struggling for payload with a 650 tank in a t280.
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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2017, 07:19:48 pm »
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paul alan

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2017, 08:03:54 pm »
Im going to get a 650ltr tank and frame a used 1 .

I have someone whos an engineer thats going to bolt it into the chassis for me but I cant be sure he knows the ins/outs of bolting a water tank in van.

I have also heard that on a transit swb theres a possibilty depending on model that the fuel tank may have to be dropped in order to do the job.

Mines a 2012  t280 swb, anyone got any experience/knowledge?

Cheers

your going to be struggling for payload with a 650 tank in a t280.
been using t280s for 4 years with 650ltr in them, its rated at about 1000kg payload.

Will this cause me problems?

paul alan

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2017, 08:22:37 pm »


I have someone whos an engineer

 ;D ;D ;D
My brother in law, he's a qualified engineer of 15 years.

robert mitchell

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2017, 08:58:19 pm »
Im going to get a 650ltr tank and frame a used 1 .

I have someone whos an engineer thats going to bolt it into the chassis for me but I cant be sure he knows the ins/outs of bolting a water tank in van.

I have also heard that on a transit swb theres a possibilty depending on model that the fuel tank may have to be dropped in order to do the job.

Mines a 2012  t280 swb, anyone got any experience/knowledge?

Cheers

your going to be struggling for payload with a 650 tank in a t280.
been using t280s for 4 years with 650ltr in them, its rated at about 1000kg payload.

Will this cause me problems?
With the weight of the water , your weight , the weight of the tank and frame , the diesel and all the other bits you could well be over , only a problem if you caught though! ;D
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paul alan

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Re: Bolting tank down in transit
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2017, 09:06:25 pm »
I know not much of this(possibly obvious) but what problems can being over cause?

Most days are 4-500 ltrs I always fill the tank up as "you never know"

Maybe I wont now