[Arnold Palmer]

Cleaner Planner just gets slower and slower

Never had this issue.

All these programs come in,  promise the world. Then when they find out its not big money for them

I'd wager that the potential market is bigger than you think. Selling it to the yanks would be the trick.

They simply didn't like relying on one income stream and have other projects that they need to work on generating  income.

Difficult one that, as a software designer Rob would have an hourly rate that he charges, any time spent developing CP that does not directly lead to a sale (or retention of existing customer base) would be unpaid, sort of.

I could understand it with Window Cleaner Pro because there was no monthly fee, hence no incentive to keep up, but charging a monthly fee (and so getting a continuous income stream) from CP AND letting customers down with an increasingly unreliable and substandard product is just unacceptable IMO.

I've never had a problem with reliability and I believe it's still the best out there although it appears Aworka has closed the gap.

I'm still hopeful there will be development.

[Arnold Palmer]

I tried window cleaner pro, had problems with it, in the end I gave up on it. I've always used George as it's a program you buy once and own it and best of all you don't have to  rely on someone else to keep your program running if it fails.
Aworka is a good price for what it offers compared to cleaner planner which I feel is overly priced considering you  only rent it.
I can text every customer I need to in minutes using copy and paste and sending to multiple numbers in one go just using my phone address book.  Gradually adding new customers and ensuring they pay online or BACS costs me nothing each month in handling charges.
Can't justify £25 a month each month to line some developing software programmer's pockets. I would have happily trialled cleaner planner and if it was  beneficial I would happily buy it if it saves time, but not prepared to  pay out each month for what I can do sufficiently using trusted and reliable George.

Cleaner Planner (and Aworka) are a different league to George. Seriously. There is no point making the comparison. If you don't need better software than George then why comment on a thread called Aworka vs cleaner planner? To justify it's price tag CP needs to save me an hour a month, which it does easily. What exactly is it you'd want the software to do?

At £25 CP is expensive but only in comparison to the alternatives. If you compare it to similar software in other industries it's actually cheap. Take the beauty industry as an example:

https://biz.booksy.net/en-gb/pricing.html

To run booksy on the scale that I run CP would cost £80 per month and it's not got that many additional features in comparison.

[Martin Lane]

I have a contract with a school they have just got a new software programme that schedules the work for the maintenance guys, and where teachers can request jobs to be done and to report problems
£20.000 for the software and £400 a month in fees

Makes Cleaner planner  a bargain
Martin   

[Arnold Palmer]

On a more serious note, how much is aworka at its premium level of service compared to cleanerplanner. Between 5 of us we pay a fair bit each month to CP.

£5 per additional user.

That makes it more expensive than cleaner planner for me.

[Tosh]

At £25 CP is expensive but only in comparison to the alternatives. If you compare it to similar software in other industries it's actually cheap. Take the beauty industry as an example:

https://biz.booksy.net/en-gb/pricing.html

To run booksy on the scale that I run CP would cost £80 per month and it's not got that many additional features in comparison.

Anything to do with the beauty industry and women's make-up is going to be extortionate. Compare women's shampoo to men's shampoo

[Arnold Palmer]

At £25 CP is expensive but only in comparison to the alternatives. If you compare it to similar software in other industries it's actually cheap. Take the beauty industry as an example:

https://biz.booksy.net/en-gb/pricing.html

To run booksy on the scale that I run CP would cost £80 per month and it's not got that many additional features in comparison.

Anything to do with the beauty industry and women's make-up is going to be extortionate. Compare women's shampoo to men's shampoo

Shampoo? What's that got to do with anything? There are differing budget ranges in the beauty industry, same as any other industry.

It's booking software, you can get booking software that's cheaper, like George, and it's crap, like George. You can even use pen and paper if you're that way inclined. The comparison is perfectly valid and the price of shampoo is irrelevant.

Where booksy has CP beat is the support (24/7) and development but booksy is a bigger company.

[sunshine windows]

On a more serious note, how much is aworka at its premium level of service compared to cleanerplanner. Between 5 of us we pay a fair bit each month to CP.

£5 per additional user.

That makes it more expensive than cleaner planner for me.

Forgive me if I'm wrong soupy, but I think you must have multiple users on an employed basis,  meaning everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet.

I need an overall master account, with each franchisee having their own account, with me being able to view everything. So 5 x full monthly payments instead of additional users. Makes the overall cost quite expensive.

[Arnold Palmer]

I have and need 10 separate users all accessing the same data, not sure how Aworka would handle that. CP is £50 per month.

I have no idea how the system handles franchises. Couldn't you just run the software like I do? I suppose there is a trust issue there.

[Simon Trapani]

Calm down Soupy.

You get all defensive over Cleaner Planner. You did with me once when I said I couldn't justify the price.

George isn't crap IMO. Yes I would like to see some improvements and personally I am going to trial Aworka soon.

It's just opinions.

[dazmond]

i find CP effortless to use and i dont find it slow.much much better than george.its in a different league IMO.£18 a month is ok as im saving money on paper and ink (printing worksheets and debtlists out,etc)as the mobile app is really good(as long as you have a decent large smartphone like a samsung galaxy note for example).

i cant fault it at all for me as a sole trader.it does everything i want/need for my window cleaning business.it saves admin time too even though its minimal anyway for a one man band.i dont think it needs any more development.

[Arnold Palmer]

Calm down Soupy.

No, thanks.

You get all defensive over Cleaner Planner. You did with me once when I said I couldn't justify the price.

George isn't crap IMO. Yes I would like to see some improvements and personally I am going to trial Aworka soon.

It's just opinions.

George is brilliant compared to pen and paper, if you're happy to stick with either of those that's fine.

George is only crap in comparison.

[The Jester of Wibbly]

George is not crap. Nor do you need paper and ink if you use a windows tablet. I tried cp and could not find any benefit for a one man operation. It seemed to take longer to use with all the uploading and downloaded and creating work sheets.  Its probably worth the spend on cp if you have more users though.

[Shrek]

I enjoy using excel and pen and paper

[Simon Trapani]

George is not crap. Nor do you need paper and ink if you use a windows tablet. I tried cp and could not find any benefit for a one man operation. It seemed to take longer to use with all the uploading and downloaded and creating work sheets.  Its probably worth the spend on cp if you have more users though.

I know we're getting off topic, but I found a 10" Windows Tablet slower & worse & I haven't even got fat fingers!

I prefer Pocket George for easy sync (although I wish it had full access & was not on defunct Palm) combined with full version George on my trusty desktop pc. Give me a large monitor, proper keyboard & mouse any day.  And I still print an A4 worksheet as  I find it quicker & easier to look at as a whole rather than the Palm or firing up the tablet.

[windowswashed]

I use NOT CRAPPY george as a single user. It's brilliant. I print a sheet out and write when it's done and payment method. Oh,  if anyone stops me in the street to ask about window cleaning I take their details and write it on the back of my sheet, no need to get a laptop out and type it in as a simple pen and paper is so much easier. Old fashioned I may be but it's worked for me for 19 years. New w'c's come along with CP and phones as big as small tablets and want to charge maximum price for minimal effort, wont speak to their customers or other w/c's and disappear within a year as they have this fantastic idea that by having the newish van with the newish wfp gear that's all they need but in reality this business is all about getting on with Joe Public to spread word of mouth recommendations through doing an honest, regular job, reliably 

[Stoots]

George is the best for a one man band.


Putting it on a Windows tablet stops the paper element.

[Og]

Funny how everyone feels obligated to defend the system they use.

[8weekly]

I tried window cleaner pro, had problems with it, in the end I gave up on it. I've always used George as it's a program you buy once and own it and best of all you don't have to  rely on someone else to keep your program running if it fails.
Aworka is a good price for what it offers compared to cleaner planner which I feel is overly priced considering you  only rent it.
I can text every customer I need to in minutes using copy and paste and sending to multiple numbers in one go just using my phone address book.  Gradually adding new customers and ensuring they pay online or BACS costs me nothing each month in handling charges.
Can't justify £25 a month each month to line some developing software programmer's pockets. I would have happily trialled cleaner planner and if it was  beneficial I would happily buy it if it saves time, but not prepared to  pay out each month for what I can do sufficiently using trusted and reliable George.

Cleaner Planner (and Aworka) are a different league to George. Seriously. There is no point making the comparison. If you don't need better software than George then why comment on a thread called Aworka vs cleaner planner? To justify it's price tag CP needs to save me an hour a month, which it does easily. What exactly is it you'd want the software to do?

At £25 CP is expensive but only in comparison to the alternatives. If you compare it to similar software in other industries it's actually cheap. Take the beauty industry as an example:

https://biz.booksy.net/en-gb/pricing.html

To run booksy on the scale that I run CP would cost £80 per month and it's not got that many additional features in comparison.

CP is probably cheaper for you than Aworka as on paper Aworka is £5 per additional user.

[sunshine windows]

I have and need 10 separate users all accessing the same data, not sure how Aworka would handle that. CP is £50 per month.

I have no idea how the system handles franchises. Couldn't you just run the software like I do? I suppose there is a trust issue there.

Not a trust issue, more of a privacy one.

I feel that the franchisees are entitled to keep their business affairs/turnover private from each other, so they all use separate accounts, with me being able to manage everyone's if I need to.

[dazmond]

I use NOT CRAPPY george as a single user. It's brilliant. I print a sheet out and write when it's done and payment method. Oh,  if anyone stops me in the street to ask about window cleaning I take their details and write it on the back of my sheet, no need to get a laptop out and type it in as a simple pen and paper is so much easier. Old fashioned I may be but it's worked for me for 19 years. New w'c's come along with CP and phones as big as small tablets and want to charge maximum price for minimal effort, wont speak to their customers or other w/c's and disappear within a year as they have this fantastic idea that by having the newish van with the newish wfp gear that's all they need but in reality this business is all about getting on with Joe Public to spread word of mouth recommendations through doing an honest, regular job, reliably 

im an old(ish) window cleaner(24 years window cleaning),brand new shiny van,CP and a phone nearly as big as a tablet.i also charge a fair price for a good job.

what does that make me?