[Smurf]

Leaving a door open is NOT SUFICIENT AND IS DANGEROUS you cannot see or smell carbon monoxide take it from someone who has had to deal with people that have died from it , just beacause you have an alarm doesn't automatically make it safe the fumes can be in one area and not another , you can also suffer carbon monoxide poisoning over a period of time that won't nessaseroly kill you but will make you very ill , why play with your life and anyone else who may travel in the vehicle for the cost of a flue that can be easily fitted . You are always saying how much more money you are earning each year why not do the job properly and safely , it's your life that's at steak . No gas fitter would be allowed to sighn off a job installed without a flue ., shorely that said it all , ime not exaggerating the facts I've seen it first hand sadly more than once , but I guess it's up to you

Do you see a flue fitted on this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSsRn6PwZ-w

[Splash & dash]

Hi smurf there isn't a video there It's blank , Jonny 87 is quite write in what he is saying but it's up to you if you want to take that risk then carry on but you cannot do it leagaly unless it's signed off by a gas safe fitter and they will not sighn it off without a flue that's a fact as they would be responsible, in fact it goes further than that they have a duty of care to disconnect it to prevent it being used if it's fitted in the manner that most on here think is ok

[Tosh]

Where are the regulations for this please Reflections?

[Tosh]

I have this from my broker.

[Smurf]

Hi, not sure what device you are using as the link I posted does work as I've just tested it again.
It's actually showing a calor gas approved water heater install without a flue fitted.  I'm sure sureclean would not be fitting them in customers vans if they were illegal surely?

[Splash & dash]

This is what comes up when I go on it
Ime not up on the gas regulations, but was talking to a gas engineer , he said that to install something like that into a vehicle that is designed to work in the open (as a lot of these shower units are sold as open air showers ) if it's going to be installed into a vehicle it has to have a flue on the outside , would you have a gas boiler in your kitchen without a flue to out side ? Of course not it's exactly the same principle in a vehicle

[Splash & dash]

For some reason it won't let me post a screen shot of it it has the sureclean hot water system heading but said video isn't available??  Ime using an iPad usually works ok ??

[Dave Willis]

I'm pretty sure there's a difference between operating a boiler and simply transporting a gas cylinder too. It's easy to tell the broker you carry a gas cylinder actually igniting a boiler is a bit different.
My broker was only worried about the weight, he didn't have a clue what I actually meant. Catering vans for instance are not allowed to have the cooker and cylinder working inside the van/trailer 

[Smurf]

This made me chuckle...Oops! lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD4gIgVQD14

[Stoots]

Leaving a door open is NOT SUFICIENT AND IS DANGEROUS you cannot see or smell carbon monoxide take it from someone who has had to deal with people that have died from it , just beacause you have an alarm doesn't automatically make it safe the fumes can be in one area and not another , you can also suffer carbon monoxide poisoning over a period of time that won't nessaseroly kill you but will make you very ill , why play with your life and anyone else who may travel in the vehicle for the cost of a flue that can be easily fitted . You are always saying how much more money you are earning each year why not do the job properly and safely , it's your life that's at steak . No gas fitter would be allowed to sighn off a job installed without a flue ., shorely that said it all , ime not exaggerating the facts I've seen it first hand sadly more than once , but I guess it's up to you

i have a flue with mine i have carbon alarm in cab i have fire extinguisher  i leave back doors open have a metal bulk head and lpg stickers. Iam about to invest in a metal storage box with 4 sides and lid for the gas bottle, will also vent the floor in that storgage box so any gas will escape out of van

Leaving doors open wont do anything unless there is airflow through the van to move the gas out, i.e the windows are open as well and its windy.

People have been gassed to death in tents whilst sleeping leaving stoves on thinking its ok if the doors open, well its not as there is no air flow.

No one cares what you do or dont do do with regards ventilation but dont spout utter nonsense like its fact and endanger other peoples lives who may be reading and think its a clever idea.

Use an immersion heater and stop being a tard. Gas in a van very clever idea 

[Smurf]

I've been using a gas water heater in a van  for years. Not gassed myself to death nor blown myself up yet as I'm not as stupid as I make out sometimes. That reminds  me I must stop smoking as is bad for my health. lol

Still if you are not happy don't use one. Simply find a safer alternative. 

[Jonny 87]

As Mike Tyson once said..... everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face.......

Aka in window cleaning terms.....

"Everything is fine and dandy until your van catches fire or explodes."

Using and operating an outdoor shower as an water heater is fine, but just don't expect your insurance to pay out if there's an accident.

I'm still yet to see it in writing from anyone that they are covered to Operate a gas boiler inside their vehicle while it is unattended.

The amount of window cleaners popping up now and setting these boilers up it really is only a matter of time until there's an accident. This is why I went down the immersion route.

That and also one day I didn't tighten up the gas inlet on the boiler enough, which meant gas was leaking, I ignited the boiler to start work and then then the naked flame caught some of the gas and ignited. I've never used one since.

We can all be as vigilant as you like but in all honesty are you going to do all The needed safety checks every time you pull up to a job? Disconnect gas bottle, reconnect gas bottle, make sure hose is tight to boiler etc.

I know I wasn't.

[Dry Clean]

There's no need to tell your insurance that your carrying a gas bottle its no different than taking one on a camping trip
in the family car.
If running a DIY gas flamed water heater in the back of an unattended van you wont be covered anyway so why bother telling.

[Dave Willis]

As Mike Tyson once said..... everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face.......

Aka in window cleaning terms.....

"Everything is fine and dandy until your van catches fire or explodes."

Using and operating an outdoor shower as an water heater is fine, but just don't expect your insurance to pay out if there's an accident.

I'm still yet to see it in writing from anyone that they are covered to Operate a gas boiler inside their vehicle while it is unattended.

The amount of window cleaners popping up now and setting these boilers up it really is only a matter of time until there's an accident. This is why I went down the immersion route.

That and also one day I didn't tighten up the gas inlet on the boiler enough, which meant gas was leaking, I ignited the boiler to start work and then then the naked flame caught some of the gas and ignited. I've never used one since.

We can all be as vigilant as you like but in all honesty are you going to do all The needed safety checks every time you pull up to a job? Disconnect gas bottle, reconnect gas bottle, make sure hose is tight to boiler etc.

I know I wasn't.

Interesting, I had a faulty regulator that leaked gas in my van. I stopped using my heater shortly after that.

[Jonny 87]

As Mike Tyson once said..... everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face.......

Aka in window cleaning terms.....

"Everything is fine and dandy until your van catches fire or explodes."

Using and operating an outdoor shower as an water heater is fine, but just don't expect your insurance to pay out if there's an accident.

I'm still yet to see it in writing from anyone that they are covered to Operate a gas boiler inside their vehicle while it is unattended.

The amount of window cleaners popping up now and setting these boilers up it really is only a matter of time until there's an accident. This is why I went down the immersion route.

That and also one day I didn't tighten up the gas inlet on the boiler enough, which meant gas was leaking, I ignited the boiler to start work and then then the naked flame caught some of the gas and ignited. I've never used one since.

We can all be as vigilant as you like but in all honesty are you going to do all The needed safety checks every time you pull up to a job? Disconnect gas bottle, reconnect gas bottle, make sure hose is tight to boiler etc.

I know I wasn't.

Interesting, I had a faulty regulator that leaked gas in my van. I stopped using my heater shortly after that.

I had a "flash back arrestor" fitted in mine so I think that was the only thing stopping the whole gas bottle igniting. From a flame traveling back through the pipe, Or mayb the regulator would have stopped it?

Either way that was my close call, and never used it since.

[Dave Willis]

I could smell the gas in my van. Because it was the threads on the regulator having the gas shut off made no difference. The gas would have settled on the van floor overnight - the whole cylinder could have emptied overnight all around my leisure battery complete with crocodile clips. The potential for a spark was high. All the ingredients for a major disaster were there staring me in the face. Utter madness.

I had a flue through the roof but that wouldn't have made a difference in my case. These things are designed to be outside hung off a tree, not nailed to the ply lining inside an enclosed area.

[Smurf]

Best practise a regulator should not only be turned off but disconnected from the gas bottle when not in use. This goes without saying when on the move as well. It's also common sense to do daily checks for leaks and the gas bottle should be secured properly in a leak proof box that is vented through the floor.  As far as venting the heater best practise is to fit a flue but some types like an L5 you can't very well as like you say are designed to be hung on a tree. lol

[dazmond]

Leaving a door open is NOT SUFICIENT AND IS DANGEROUS you cannot see or smell carbon monoxide take it from someone who has had to deal with people that have died from it , just beacause you have an alarm doesn't automatically make it safe the fumes can be in one area and not another , you can also suffer carbon monoxide poisoning over a period of time that won't nessaseroly kill you but will make you very ill , why play with your life and anyone else who may travel in the vehicle for the cost of a flue that can be easily fitted . You are always saying how much more money you are earning each year why not do the job properly and safely , it's your life that's at steak . No gas fitter would be allowed to sighn off a job installed without a flue ., shorely that said it all , ime not exaggerating the facts I've seen it first hand sadly more than once , but I guess it's up to you

im still here!not died yet!

your scaremainering IMO.theres always at least one doom and gloom merchant.

[dazmond]

Leaving a door open is NOT SUFICIENT AND IS DANGEROUS you cannot see or smell carbon monoxide take it from someone who has had to deal with people that have died from it , just beacause you have an alarm doesn't automatically make it safe the fumes can be in one area and not another , you can also suffer carbon monoxide poisoning over a period of time that won't nessaseroly kill you but will make you very ill , why play with your life and anyone else who may travel in the vehicle for the cost of a flue that can be easily fitted . You are always saying how much more money you are earning each year why not do the job properly and safely , it's your life that's at steak . No gas fitter would be allowed to sighn off a job installed without a flue ., shorely that said it all , ime not exaggerating the facts I've seen it first hand sadly more than once , but I guess it's up to you

i have a flue with mine i have carbon alarm in cab i have fire extinguisher  i leave back doors open have a metal bulk head and lpg stickers. Iam about to invest in a metal storage box with 4 sides and lid for the gas bottle, will also vent the floor in that storgage box so any gas will escape out of van

Leaving doors open wont do anything unless there is airflow through the van to move the gas out, i.e the windows are open as well and its windy.

People have been gassed to death in tents whilst sleeping leaving stoves on thinking its ok if the doors open, well its not as there is no air flow.

No one cares what you do or dont do do with regards ventilation but dont spout utter nonsense like its fact and endanger other peoples lives who may be reading and think its a clever idea.

Use an immersion heater and stop being a tard. Gas in a van very clever idea 

yeah but you dont sleep in your van with the boiler on do you?or have the boiler running while your in the van with the windows closed for ANY PERIOD OF TIME!

[Tosh]

Have you seen the state of his van, you wouldn’t let your dog sleep in it.