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andyM

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2017, 02:50:35 pm »
Seems there's a few Cheap Charlie's here that just buy on price not the level of cover. 
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best

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2017, 03:26:49 pm »
I think you will find that the minute you go over 350L it puts a lot of underwriters off the list , also madness i know but if a tank is bolted it is classed as a mod , if strapped and easily removed its not a mod , its all red tape and cash cows as most will be using more than a 350 L and they know this as fact , hence why i use a 350 and have it strapped to a removable frame that is bolted to  the original eye loading anchor points , therefore no mod to the original chassis has occured .
Looks like i found the loopholes by pure chance !
Bolted my tank to original anchor points also.
I used Aviva this year.  £250.  The water tank was declared (as it needs to be)  but no difference in price.  Also with Aviva van insurance you can drive other cars 3rd party only (this is very rare for van insurance)

chris turner

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2017, 05:32:41 pm »
Seems there's a few Cheap Charlie's here that just buy on price not the level of cover.

Damn straight.
Insurers have had enough money from me since the age of 18, for what? The presumption that something MAY happen. Well I've never made a claim in 13 years.
All I care about is getting insurance for as cheap as possible, not the level of cover. After all, what are you actually getting from your insurance? Nothing but a piece of paper if you don't make a claim.

KS Cleaning

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2017, 05:52:44 pm »
Seems there's a few Cheap Charlie's here that just buy on price not the level of cover.
I decide what level of  cover I'm looking for ( NCB protected, low excess ) then go with the cheapest quote.  Don't see anything wrong with that.

andyM

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2017, 06:22:37 pm »
Believe me I'm not a fan of insurance companies by any means.
But I don't want to give them an excuse to wriggle out of paying if the worst should happen.
And I've got it in black and white from the broker that my van is equipped with water tank/system.
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mark g

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2017, 06:30:44 pm »
I agree.Ihad an accident last year {not my fault]my van was written off and the insurance company have still not paid out for the courtesy van i had through aplan.Altough the amount they charged for it i dont blame them

EandM

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2017, 11:06:45 am »
Seems there's a few Cheap Charlie's here that just buy on price not the level of cover.

The level of cover and the price seem to be entirely different entities.  I see many expensive policies that cover very little and many cheap ones that cover much.

Dry Clean

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2017, 11:46:51 am »
Believe me I'm not a fan of insurance companies by any means.
But I don't want to give them an excuse to wriggle out of paying if the worst should happen.
And I've got it in black and white from the broker that my van is equipped with water tank/system.

Urban myth mate, insurance companies couldn't give a toss if your tanks bolted in or not, the modification question is only there to check if you have done anything to the vehicle that might make it unsafe for road use.
Its a nice easy way to squeeze a few quid extra from customers but wouldn't leave you uninsured if not declared and not
the cause of the accident/ claim.


Dry Clean

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2017, 12:02:09 pm »
Seems there's a few Cheap Charlie's here that just buy on price not the level of cover.

The level of cover and the price seem to be entirely different entities.  I see many expensive policies that cover very little and many cheap ones that cover much.


Its all a racket, that's why I wouldn't worry about insurance companies trying to wriggle out of paying, a friend of mine has
just spent 6 weeks waiting on getting her car repaired by the insurance recommended company, one days work tops,
That's a six week courtesy car bill on top of the repair, it would have been longer if she hadn't threatened the repair company.


My accident was the same, I could have got the repair done for a quarter of the price the insurance company paid to their
recommended repair garage.
Back handers come to mind.

EandM

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2017, 12:40:59 pm »
Believe me I'm not a fan of insurance companies by any means.
But I don't want to give them an excuse to wriggle out of paying if the worst should happen.
And I've got it in black and white from the broker that my van is equipped with water tank/system.

Urban myth mate, insurance companies couldn't give a toss if your tanks bolted in or not, the modification question is only there to check if you have done anything to the vehicle that might make it unsafe for road use.
Its a nice easy way to squeeze a few quid extra from customers but wouldn't leave you uninsured if not declared and not
the cause of the accident/ claim.

I've seen insurance companies refuse to pay out because of a non-declared rear spoiler, alloy wheels or in one really mad case a non-standard sound system. The terms & conditions are just that - terms & conditions. Some insurance companies will weasel out of their responsibilities but we are not afforded the same option. My last quote wouldn't cover me to drive across my field to fill up with water as " No Off Road Cover " meant " No Off Road Cover " - reasonableness or sanity wouldn't prevail. I was told in no uncertain terms that If I did this my entire policy would be void - how they thought they were going to prove it I have no idea.

Insurance Companies are at best inflexible and at worst crooked. I wouldn't take out any cover and risk anything. I will ask them specifically what they do and don't cover and buy only on that basis.

EandM

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2017, 01:58:30 pm »




Urban myth mate, insurance companies couldn't give a toss if your tanks bolted in or not, the modification question is only there to check if you have done anything to the vehicle that might make it unsafe for road use.
Its a nice easy way to squeeze a few quid extra from customers but wouldn't leave you uninsured if not declared and not
the cause of the accident/ claim.
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I've seen insurance companies refuse to pay out because of a non-declared rear spoiler, alloy wheels or in one really mad case a non-standard sound system. The terms & conditions are just that - terms & conditions. Some insurance companies will weasel out of their responsibilities but we are not afforded the same option. My last quote wouldn't cover me to drive across my field to fill up with water as " No Off Road Cover " meant " No Off Road Cover " - reasonableness or sanity wouldn't prevail. I was told in no uncertain terms that If I did this my entire policy would be void - how they thought they were going to prove it I have no idea.

Insurance Companies are at best inflexible and at worst crooked. I wouldn't take out any cover and risk anything. I will ask them specifically what they do and don't cover and buy only on that basis.
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Firstly you can put what ever terms and conditions you want in a contract and I can agree to them but they wont override
my rights under the law.
If I'm legally allowed to drive the insured vehicle, the insured vehicle hasn't been modified to make it unsafe illegal for road
use then terms or not my insurance cant refuse to pay out, fair enough they may not cover the expense of replacing alloy wheels
or a fancy spoiler in the repair bill but that's not what we are talking about.
That said I don't for one minute think there aren't fly by night insurance companies out there that wouldn't try and get out of
paying  but I think these companies should be avoided full stop.
The better more well known companies wont even check for a tank never mind try to get out of paying over one and that's from
experience.
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I get where you coming from.

In the past 10 years I've had stand up arguments with quite a few insurance companies over a tank in the pickup. many of them have just been completely unreasonable, probably because it was a relatively new concept. I've had some insurer's refuse to quote simply because of the presence of a tank - irrespective of size or how / if it's secured.  I've had others want a massive premium loading and just a few who were ok with the idea. It made renewal extremely time consuming and annoying. Only in the last two years or so has common sense begun to prevail and a little bit more reasonableness has come into the equation.

In terms of theft I declared my alloys and it wasn't an issue. As long as the wheels were something that the vehicle could of left the factory with the issue was small. However if you spent 2 grand on some daft 22" wheels and as result the truck was stolen for the wheels and then burnt out the insurance company would not pay out. Their premium would be calculated via location, age and likely probability of theft on the assumption that the risks were equal and any alterations disclosed. The effect of undisclosed expensive alloys would contravene their premium calculation and likely be used to avoid a payout as the customer has been dishonest in their disclosure of modifications.

andyM

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2017, 04:28:18 pm »
In the past 10 years I've had stand up arguments with quite a few insurance companies over a tank in the pickup. many of them have just been completely unreasonable, probably because it was a relatively new concept. I've had some insurer's refuse to quote simply because of the presence of a tank - irrespective of size or how / if it's secured.  I've had others want a massive premium loading and just a few who were ok with the idea. It made renewal extremely time consuming and annoying. Only in the last two years or so has common sense begun to prevail and a little bit more reasonableness has come into the equation.

Yeah i can't be bothered with all that.
I've been driving for nearly 25 years so I'm well versed in dealing with insurance companies and the frustrations that can come with it all.
I prefer to pay a bit more, put it through the accounts as an expense and have a cover that will provide me with a fully equipped van so i can carry on working if I'm involved in an accident (at fault or non fault).   
I appreciate other people do things differently, each to their own.   
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The Jester of Wibbly

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2017, 04:23:54 pm »
Just tried to get a quote from gladiators. Alarm bells ringing !  Quote was really cheap with all the add ons I asked for the water tank declaration. Asked them to email full details of the quote so I have it all in writing.  They said they can't put water tank in writing but they have the notes on their system only. I said I want my own evidence that I had declared my tank. Again they said "no".

The quote they emailed was very very basic with just the amount to pay. No details of the extras I had asked for either. Just a couple of sentences.

Looked at there website and you can only contact them by phone. There is no way you can prove you declared the tank. And they said they can't send out any documents other than standard letters and emails.

 
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chris turner

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2017, 07:55:22 pm »
Just tried to get a quote from gladiators. Alarm bells ringing !  Quote was really cheap with all the add ons I asked for the water tank declaration. Asked them to email full details of the quote so I have it all in writing.  They said they can't put water tank in writing but they have the notes on their system only. I said I want my own evidence that I had declared my tank. Again they said "no".

The quote they emailed was very very basic with just the amount to pay. No details of the extras I had asked for either. Just a couple of sentences.

Looked at there website and you can only contact them by phone. There is no way you can prove you declared the tank. And they said they can't send out any documents other than standard letters and emails.

Just renewed mine with gladiator, £297 for the year, water tank declared. This will be my 3rd year with them, they've been great..

The Jester of Wibbly

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2017, 08:02:51 pm »
Just tried to get a quote from gladiators. Alarm bells ringing !  Quote was really cheap with all the add ons I asked for the water tank declaration. Asked them to email full details of the quote so I have it all in writing.  They said they can't put water tank in writing but they have the notes on their system only. I said I want my own evidence that I had declared my tank. Again they said "no".

The quote they emailed was very very basic with just the amount to pay. No details of the extras I had asked for either. Just a couple of sentences.

Looked at there website and you can only contact them by phone. There is no way you can prove you declared the tank. And they said they can't send out any documents other than standard letters and emails.

Just renewed mine with gladiator, £297 for the year, water tank declared. This will be my 3rd year with them, they've been great..

Did you manage to get the tank declaration  in writing from them before paying up?


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EandM

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Re: Van Insurance
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2017, 09:32:40 pm »
Just tried to get a quote from gladiators. Alarm bells ringing !  Quote was really cheap with all the add ons I asked for the water tank declaration. Asked them to email full details of the quote so I have it all in writing.  They said they can't put water tank in writing but they have the notes on their system only. I said I want my own evidence that I had declared my tank. Again they said "no".

The quote they emailed was very very basic with just the amount to pay. No details of the extras I had asked for either. Just a couple of sentences.

Looked at there website and you can only contact them by phone. There is no way you can prove you declared the tank. And they said they can't send out any documents other than standard letters and emails.

Just renewed mine with gladiator, £297 for the year, water tank declared. This will be my 3rd year with them, they've been great..

No issue with mine either. I wonder if pick up trucks are the way forward ?