[maxcampbell]

When TACCA started the point was to promote carpet cleaning to the public - the original idea was to club together to pay for TV advertising.  We joined at the start.

The best thing TACCA  has actually done is to organise networking days for CC'ers to meet up, and we've been to most TACCA days.

I don't know whether the advertising to the public will ever get significant - I have my doubts. The TACCA days are less good than they used to be, because they've morphed from CC'ers meeting to swap tips to a trade show with suppliers renting stands.

I think we'll stick with it for the next year and see how it goes.  I don't criticise Derek or the way he's done things, but I do have my doubts as to whether there's a good reason for an organisation other than the NCCA to exist.

[Kev Martin]

I think Derek has done well to get around 230 businesses together in TACCA . 
It is clear from the posts on here  that some members are not so keen,  because now they are being asked to pay.  However, in my opinion it is a good thing because it means each member of the alliance puts the same money in and has an equal share.   So I am struggling to understand why if someone wanted to be a member when it was free why  people are hesitating now?  Surely now with an equal financial share and an elected project team running it you will get even more out of the Alliance now?

DEFINITION OF A BUSINESS ALLIANCE

 A business alliance is an agreement between two or more businesses,  usually motivated by cost reduction and improved service for the customer.   
Alliances are often bounded by a single agreement with equitable risk and opportunity share for all parties involved and are typically managed by an integrated project team.

[Carpet Master]

Jennifer

people jumped onto the bandwagon when it was free but now they have to pay they are critical of it and Derek I think it's because they can't afford membership

Some people just hate to see others doing well.

People claiming he purchased his rug cleaning equipment out of tacca days.
(Have they access to his business/personal accounts)

Laughable

What Derek has achieved without funding from us members is in my eye's brilliant.

I and so many others have never been members because we are intelligent business people who only invest in stable, sound propositions that will generate our businesses a return over a given period. Personally, my business not only does carpet cleaning but we are carpet retailers and I employ five people.

Some people do hate some people doing well, however, in this case the person doing very well (and will even be doing better because of people like you)  will be taking money from cleaners purely for a listing on a website. The annual meet is charged separately so he can make a nice tidy some on that too for himself.

Have you access to his business accounts either?
Why now can he afford to close his one-man band business for Christmas as early as the first week of December?
How has he now moved into a unit when admittedly he was just "getting by" a couple of years ago?
How did he manage to purchase his rug equipment/plant?

Seems suddenly his business is growing faster than Santa Claus' beard?

What has he achieved? Think about it. A website. An annual day out. A meeting place for the gullible. That is it.

Most supporters have had NO WORK through it.

All along in the back of his head he knew he was going to be charging and making money from the gullible within a period of time.

Ask him to see TACCA's accounts. Surely, if he's keeping everything separate and 'investing' back into the 'alliance' the money it generates then he will have separate accounts. 

There is NO accountability, NO business plan, NO transparency, NO national advertising or marketing plan, NO nothing apart from someone is going to make a very good wedge from YOU!!

£250 for full membership + £180 CC day out = £430 (profit £300?) x 300 cleaners = £90,000 

 
 

[Carpet Master]

However, in my opinion it is a good thing because it means each member of the alliance puts the same money in and has an equal share.    Surely now with an equal financial share and an elected project team running it you will get even more out of the Alliance now?

Equal share? Are you for real? He owns TACCA outright, he pockets the money.
There is NO accountability! If he turned it into a proper Association with all the checks and balances which comes with that then I wouldn't be on here warning everyone of the impending online rip off of 2017.

[sean oregan]

Oh dear you are bitter lol

[sean oregan]

I out of this debate
Can't argue with........................
And so many of them

[Carpet Master]

I out of this debate
Can't argue with........................
And so many of them

Yes, we don't have your point of view so we are all ......................... very intelligent train of thought.

[Hilton]

There is NO accountability, NO business plan, NO transparency, NO national advertising or marketing plan, NO nothing apart from someone is going to make a very good wedge from YOU!!

£250 for full membership + £180 CC day out = £430 (profit £300?) x 300 cleaners = £90,000

You have put a very simplistic figure above taking no account of costs whatsoever so it can hardly be taken seriously but lets assume that what you have put above is correct, I don't know as I know nothing about the organisation but lets just say it is,so you say it will do £90k in sales from memberships and the day out thingy.

Do you think that this is 'raking it in' ? even if there were no other costs as you seem to think, no hours put in , no admin, no purchases , no phone bills, no fuel costs ,no salaries to pay , no accountancy fees, no postage,no stationary, no equipment costs, no subscriptions, no maintenance costs, you get the the picture.............if there was none of this £90k per annum  seems pretty reasonable to me.

[Carpet Master]

There is NO accountability, NO business plan, NO transparency, NO national advertising or marketing plan, NO nothing apart from someone is going to make a very good wedge from YOU!!

£250 for full membership + £180 CC day out = £430 (profit £300?) x 300 cleaners = £90,000

You have put a very simplistic figure above taking no account of costs whatsoever so it can hardly be taken seriously but lets assume that what you have put above is correct, I don't know as I know nothing about the organisation but lets just say it is,so you say it will do £90k in sales from memberships and the day out thingy.

Do you think that this is 'raking it in' ? even if there were no other costs as you seem to think, no hours put in , no admin, no purchases , no phone bills, no fuel costs ,no salaries to pay , no accountancy fees, no postage,no stationary, no equipment costs, no subscriptions, no maintenance costs, you get the the picture.............if there was none of this £90k per annum  seems pretty reasonable to me.

I was only guessing at a figure as we will never know the true costs (or income) as he is a private individual who will not divulge the alliance's accounts, and nor does he have to.

Surely for £250 per annum you would want more than a listing on a website which does not even target your area/s.

I think I'm going to start a website up. lets say, I'll call it 'UK Contract Carpet Cleaners Lisitng'. Will you pay me £250?
With all the profit I make I can pay off my mortgage, buy a new van, buy some wonderful new machinery and give my wife that diamond ring she always wanted! I wonder if all those cleaner's will know?

Or, should I form an Association, have a National Committee, National advertising & marketing strategy to benefit everyone, an elected Treasurer, open auditored published annual accounts and have a clear business model that will push the association ahead for the next 5 years, oh, and introduce annual elected executive committee positions.

Nah, I'll just pocket all the money and keep telling everyone I'm doing a good job, how good I am, and noone will mind cos they are all my 'mates' really who get together once a year to fight over a hog roast..
 

[Hilton]

There is NO accountability, NO business plan, NO transparency, NO national advertising or marketing plan, NO nothing apart from someone is going to make a very good wedge from YOU!!

£250 for full membership + £180 CC day out = £430 (profit £300?) x 300 cleaners = £90,000

You have put a very simplistic figure above taking no account of costs whatsoever so it can hardly be taken seriously but lets assume that what you have put above is correct, I don't know as I know nothing about the organisation but lets just say it is,so you say it will do £90k in sales from memberships and the day out thingy.

Do you think that this is 'raking it in' ? even if there were no other costs as you seem to think, no hours put in , no admin, no purchases , no phone bills, no fuel costs ,no salaries to pay , no accountancy fees, no postage,no stationary, no equipment costs, no subscriptions, no maintenance costs, you get the the picture.............if there was none of this £90k per annum  seems pretty reasonable to me.

I was only guessing at a figure as we will never know the true costs (or income) as he is a private individual who will not divulge the alliance's accounts, and nor does he have to.

Thank you, finally we got there!
I did not need to read the rest of your post there is no need.............
Join the bloody organisation if you want to don't if you don't trust it but stopping telling people they are gullible if they do.
They make up their own minds,part with their own money (not yours) and judge for themselves after 12 months if they feel it has been worthwhile.

Some might think the meeting with like minded carpet cleaners worth the membership alone, others will leave as will not see it as good value for money, their choice not yours or any body else's .

Do you know what, if it all crashes and burns, you and the other gripers can come on this dull site you all hate and scream TOLD YOU SO and I will be the first to say, yes you did, well done for not joining.................is that fair enough ?

Going to get my invoice into the chappie at TACCA now for doing his job for him.......ONLY JOKING 

[Carpet Master]

Well you should have read the rest of my post as it is all relevant. Yes, he doesn't have to, and that is the point here, there are no checks and balances.

[jasonl]

Just because some of us think tacca is a waste of time and money. This does not mean others will feel it is ok, everything on this thread is opinion.
I and others gave our viewpoint based on 20plus years experience and success repeatedly and over a sustained period. If others know better let them pay up and join.

[Hilton]

Well you should have read the rest of my post as it is all relevant.

No it really isn't but Merry Christmas anyway ......

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I think there's a schizophrenic poster with 2 accounts here.

[derek west]

Just because some of us think tacca is a waste of time and money. This does not mean others will feel it is ok, everything on this thread is opinion.
I and others gave our viewpoint based on 20plus years experience and success repeatedly and over a sustained period. If others know better let them pay up and join.

Just to clarify, Jason you applied to join TACCA and unfortunately got turned down.

also Just to clarify, I finished on the 21st of this December so not sure why someone is saying i finished in the first week of December. Confusing? or just another exaggeration (check my facebook)

£90,000 profit      and i'm driving an 06 galaxy with 100k on the clock, and i've not had a holiday this year at all, not even a week in wales.  Oh and as has been already stated, I'm in rented. (check my facebook, )

Thank you CIU for helping me in the early days,  i still think forums are great, but unfortunately, i really need to concentrate on my own business rather than arguing with stupid. Cos thats all thats left on here now for me. i was warned 4 years ago and he was right,  legend.  you know who you are.

this is how stupid goes...

stupid: its 10
Me: okay its 10, there ya go, happy now?
stupid: Actually its 12
Me okay its 12 then, FFS. right now are you happy
Stupid: no its 14 and so on and so on. seriously guys, you cant argue with stupid, you will never satisfy what they want because they want to bring you down, unless of course you let them bring you down, in which case they will just move on to someone else to bring down. Its called, lowering the goal posts so they look good in goal. sad but true.

This is my last post.

Made some amazing friends on here, sadly, lost some amazing friends as well, swings and roundabouts eh!  (i wish it was that easy to take)  

Have a great xmas, and a prosperous new year. see you all on facebook, i'm always knocking about on there with  (and i do agree) rubbish videos. Getting slightly better maybe? go on, say yes Derek, its xmas 

Right, have fun arguing and wasting your lives when you could be writing a blog article, content for your website or learning what neil said and doing an online adwords course, sounds a good course neil. Our adwords bootcamp course  is for a different type of learner mate, thats all.  its all good.
byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

ps... framed it Mike, its on the wall in my office. i will miss our respectful arguments. 

pps Weebly 

ppps... Keep slating TACCA, we seem to do better when the negativity starts 

[sean oregan]

Just because some of us think tacca is a waste of time and money. This does not mean others will feel it is ok, everything on this thread is opinion.
I and others gave our viewpoint based on 20plus years experience and success repeatedly and over a sustained period. If others know better let them pay up and join.

Still paying ccn (carpet cleaners network)for pay per click leads?
20 plus years experience should bring a regular repeat business!

[Carpet Master]

Just because some of us think tacca is a waste of time and money. This does not mean others will feel it is ok, everything on this thread is opinion.
I and others gave our viewpoint based on 20plus years experience and success repeatedly and over a sustained period. If others know better let them pay up and join.

Just to clarify, Jason you applied to join TACCA and unfortunately got turned down.

also Just to clarify, I finished on the 21st of this December so not sure why someone is saying i finished in the first week of December. Confusing? or just another exaggeration (check my facebook)

£90,000 profit      and i'm driving an 06 galaxy with 100k on the clock, and i've not had a holiday this year at all, not even a week in wales.  Oh and as has been already stated, I'm in rented. (check my facebook, )

Thank you CIU for helping me in the early days,  i still think forums are great, but unfortunately, i really need to concentrate on my own business rather than arguing with stupid. Cos thats all thats left on here now for me. i was warned 4 years ago and he was right,  legend.  you know who you are.

this is how stupid goes...

stupid: its 10
Me: okay its 10, there ya go, happy now?
stupid: Actually its 12
Me okay its 12 then, FFS. right now are you happy
Stupid: no its 14 and so on and so on. seriously guys, you cant argue with stupid, you will never satisfy what they want because they want to bring you down, unless of course you let them bring you down, in which case they will just move on to someone else to bring down. Its called, lowering the goal posts so they look good in goal. sad but true.

This is my last post.

Made some amazing friends on here, sadly, lost some amazing friends as well, swings and roundabouts eh!  (i wish it was that easy to take)  

Have a great xmas, and a prosperous new year. see you all on facebook, i'm always knocking about on there with  (and i do agree) rubbish videos. Getting slightly better maybe? go on, say yes Derek, its xmas 

Right, have fun arguing and wasting your lives when you could be writing a blog article, content for your website or learning what neil said and doing an online adwords course, sounds a good course neil. Our adwords bootcamp course  is for a different type of learner mate, thats all.  its all good.
byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

ps... framed it Mike, its on the wall in my office. i will miss our respectful arguments. 

pps Weebly 

ppps... Keep slating TACCA, we seem to do better when the negativity starts 

Actually, this post speaks a thousand words on his mentality and stability. He is very childish to say the least with his posts.
He states he's driving an old Galaxy, yes, but what will it be next year my old sausage when you get your hands on that cash, a merc?

This individual reminds me of a lovable rogue, his character and mannerism is like a third grade back street car dealer.

Is he having a break down?

And Shaun I think you are right, 'Hilton' and 'sean oregan' are one in the same lol oh dear.

 

[neil 47]

Derek

Sad to see you go have a great Christmas and New year .

[Hilton]

Just because some of us think tacca is a waste of time and money. This does not mean others will feel it is ok, everything on this thread is opinion.
I and others gave our viewpoint based on 20plus years experience and success repeatedly and over a sustained period. If others know better let them pay up and join.

Just to clarify, Jason you applied to join TACCA and unfortunately got turned down.

also Just to clarify, I finished on the 21st of this December so not sure why someone is saying i finished in the first week of December. Confusing? or just another exaggeration (check my facebook)

£90,000 profit      and i'm driving an 06 galaxy with 100k on the clock, and i've not had a holiday this year at all, not even a week in wales.  Oh and as has been already stated, I'm in rented. (check my facebook, )

Thank you CIU for helping me in the early days,  i still think forums are great, but unfortunately, i really need to concentrate on my own business rather than arguing with stupid. Cos thats all thats left on here now for me. i was warned 4 years ago and he was right,  legend.  you know who you are.

this is how stupid goes...

stupid: its 10
Me: okay its 10, there ya go, happy now?
stupid: Actually its 12
Me okay its 12 then, FFS. right now are you happy
Stupid: no its 14 and so on and so on. seriously guys, you cant argue with stupid, you will never satisfy what they want because they want to bring you down, unless of course you let them bring you down, in which case they will just move on to someone else to bring down. Its called, lowering the goal posts so they look good in goal. sad but true.

This is my last post.

Made some amazing friends on here, sadly, lost some amazing friends as well, swings and roundabouts eh!  (i wish it was that easy to take)  

Have a great xmas, and a prosperous new year. see you all on facebook, i'm always knocking about on there with  (and i do agree) rubbish videos. Getting slightly better maybe? go on, say yes Derek, its xmas 

Right, have fun arguing and wasting your lives when you could be writing a blog article, content for your website or learning what neil said and doing an online adwords course, sounds a good course neil. Our adwords bootcamp course  is for a different type of learner mate, thats all.  its all good.
byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

ps... framed it Mike, its on the wall in my office. i will miss our respectful arguments. 

pps Weebly 

ppps... Keep slating TACCA, we seem to do better when the negativity starts 

Actually, this post speaks a thousand words on his mentality and stability. He is very childish to say the least with his posts.
He states he's driving an old Galaxy, yes, but what will it be next year my old sausage when you get your hands on that cash, a merc?

This individual reminds me of a lovable rogue, his character and mannerism is like a third grade back street car dealer.

Is he having a break down?

And Shaun I think you are right, 'Hilton' and 'sean oregan' are one in the same lol oh dear.

I'm tempted but the poor lad is running on empty, and it Christmas after all 

[sean oregan]

Shaun
Please advise who has 2 accounts or who has not