[will_turton]

As above
When  would you class a portable as a truckmount or van mount??

[john martin]

I dont think there is any defination , you just stick a portable in the van and thats it . Some might do it better with onboard tanks or even heat systems .
If your asking when does a portable perform as good as a truckmount ... you really need four vacs for that 

[tim handley]

I class mine as a van mounted machine........ it never leaves the van, i will drive away from a job if i cannot do it without removing it from the van!   Do i class it as being in the same leaugue as a truckmount? nah, never in a million years.......

[JandS]

Find it strange that you would drive away rather than remove your "portable" to do a job.

[tim handley]

Thats how i roll!!!!!

[JandS]

Not utilising the vac power to their fullest leaving it on van.

[tim handley]

If im parked 7/8 foot from the door is it really going to make that much difference??   Judging by the results im getting it doesnt seem to be an issue mate to be honest....  i ran 100 foot from my van into a large rectory today, no problem at all........
suppose it depends on what machine you are using???      Anyway, it suits me and my way of doing things.........

[Glynn]

"When is a portable classed as a truckmount"

Never.

[Robin Ray]

It doesn't really matter what you call it, at the end of the day change happens, and a point will come when when an electrically powered machine can provide comparable results in a comparable time period to a petrol powered machine. When that point comes the only difference between the two will be cost, the cost of purchase, the cost of running, and the cost of maintaining. All of these costs reduce profit, and at the end of the day business is all about profit. If an electrically powered machine can work in a comparable way within areas of the industry then it is a no brainer.

Many will say that that a TM and an electrically powered machine can never be classed as comparable and at present that may be true, however that has been said about many things. It took Thomas Edison thousands of attempts to make the light bulb, but since he succeeded electric light is the main way of producing light. I'm sure many said to him that he was onto a loser, just like people sometimes deride electrically powered machines today. However electric is the future and those who don't embrace change may find themselves in effect holding a candle when they could be switching on the light.

[Tony Stewart]

63 hp machine and huge suction and able to work two men off one machine - a portable van mounted machine is never ever a truckmount. Its as far away as a rotary clean to a portable. 

[Raymondo]

It funny when people buy an electric car and say its better for the environment they don't realize that electricity still has to be produced at a power station and then moved to there car it maybe nuclear or gas or coal powered but still harm the environment in some way.

But saying that it will be the future or maybe hydrogen.

Was behind a tesla a few week back that was fast.

At the moment a TM will outperform a portable unless you add a few more vac motors and plug it in next door.

But in the last few years portable have done a lot to narrow the gap between the 2.

You never know one days we may have a nuclear powered portable.

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

A portable in a van is a portable in a van!

Cheers

Doug

[tim handley]

quite right........... i have a portable in my van, i kinda like it that way...............
i would love a truckmount one day, have to see how it goes. I guess you have
to have a certain amount of work coming in  to justify a truckmount?
 not sure i can/do................

[markbetts]

Who gives a fig ?

They both clean carpets 

[Raymondo]

Who gives a fig ?

They both clean carpets 

The problem is if someone says they run a truckmount but they only have a portable in the van they are deceiving the public and trading standards may be interested in it.

A bane clean has been mentioned I tried a bane clean a few years ago was not really impressed  it not a TM in the true sense.

[Robin Ray]

 

The debate rolls on and it probably will do for many years.

Interestingly one of hydramasters newest machines is powered by an electric motor, the motor is powered by a generator running off the van engine, but it is electricity which moves the blower.
here it is... http://www.hydramaster.com/Portals/0/SellSheets/CDSxDrive_Booklet_WEB.pdf

Time will tell ...

[*Hector*]

quite right........... i have a portable in my van, i kinda like it that way...............
i would love a truckmount one day, have to see how it goes. I guess you have
to have a certain amount of work coming in  to justify a truckmount?
 not sure i can/do................

But .........................

If you invest in a truckmount, I guarantee you that the work will come in..... Because sub-consciously you will make it come in.....

[Anthony Parton]

It doesn't really matter what you call it, at the end of the day change happens, and a point will come when when an electrically powered machine can provide comparable results in a comparable time period to a petrol powered machine. When that point comes the only difference between the two will be cost, the cost of purchase, the cost of running, and the cost of maintaining. All of these costs reduce profit, and at the end of the day business is all about profit. If an electrically powered machine can work in a comparable way within areas of the industry then it is a no brainer.

Many will say that that a TM and an electrically powered machine can never be classed as comparable and at present that may be true, however that has been said about many things. It took Thomas Edison thousands of attempts to make the light bulb, but since he succeeded electric light is the main way of producing light. I'm sure many said to him that he was onto a loser, just like people sometimes deride electrically powered machines today. However electric is the future and those who don't embrace change may find themselves in effect holding a candle when they could be switching on the light.

If you put enough vacuum motors in a portable you can get the same airflow as a truckmount, however, generating truckmount comparable heat uses a lot of electricity.
Even a small truckmount will provide around 30kW of water heating capacity.
Imagine connecting up 10 x 3kW heaters in a portable!!

[john martin]

True , with house electrics you are not going to get tm heat all the time but the compromise is not so bad .
Until the Tesla style rechargeable truckmount arrives forget trying to get an exact tm replica .
All there is off the shelf etm wise is the mytee escape . Thing is woodbridges approach and even mytees is wrong for a carpet cleaning etm in this country. Woodbridge I believe put in a 1500psi pump and god knows what motors , those that bought it (luc on this forum ?) Have said it was tripping switches and giving various trouble .
The escape should have a simple pumptec 205 at 400psi ..and 1600w and 1200w vacs all on cord one ...just like an enforcer .
Then on cord two the same 1600w+1200w and the pumpout pump . all at about 12amps per cord , can be plugged into every standard double socket .then if you want heat a inline steammate can be used close to where your working .just plug that into a different circuit , u soon get used to finding that .
That setup could allow more convience in many situations that just a portable , ...no filling or emplyin ,better performance , the option to use  trex jnr or whatever .
The lack of consistent tm heat can be  made up for with a good polybrush scrub on the nasties .
For upholstery and low flow carpet cleaning you would have enough heat .

[jasonl]

My car has 223 hp but I dont need them ever.

I have ownedd 2 truckmounts in the past and could go and get one tomorrow  if I wanted, it simply does not make business sense for me, though it does for others.

It is all about what works for you.  suction, lift, power, noise, speed, convenience all mean different things to different people.