[Harry Roberts]

Hi ,
I've seen on flea bay you can buy new IBC tank with heating pad and tank thermal jacket to prevent heat loss. Is anyone using this or something similar. I wonder what the cost of heating would be.
Might be with getting two in of these in garage to alternate.

H

[Smurf]

Do you mean these  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IBC-Tank-Heating-Pad-Insulating-Jacket-New-IBC-Cover-Heating-Mat-IBC-Container-/281632532624?var=&hash=item41929b6890:m:mbSiklkmyg2cTdtbQpWPtTQ

[AuRavelling79]

Looks good. You could use it for frost protection or just enough to make hoses supple in winter (say 25 degrees). Once full and warm it would retain much of it's heat for days.

Maybe look at economy 7 heating especially as it uses 1400W.

[chris turner]

Not sure why tank suppliers havnt jumped on the bandwagon yet and started selling tanks prefitted with heating elements.
Seems alot of guys are going down this road as probably the cheapest and safest way to heat water.
I would certainly buy one, I'm not diy confident enough to fit an element myself.

[Shrek]

Not sure why tank suppliers havnt jumped on the bandwagon yet and started selling tanks prefitted with heating elements.
Seems alot of guys are going down this road as probably the cheapest and safest way to heat water.
I would certainly buy one, I'm not diy confident enough to fit an element myself.

+1 , I'd buy a jacket for my tank

[Harry Roberts]

Do you mean these  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IBC-Tank-Heating-Pad-Insulating-Jacket-New-IBC-Cover-Heating-Mat-IBC-Container-/281632532624?var=&hash=item41929b6890:m:mbSiklkmyg2cTdtbQpWPtTQ

281634380112 Was the item no I saw.  I think much the same.

[Clever Forum Name]

Heated jacket is £800 and after seeing the results there's no way I'd use one. 

[Arnold Palmer]

Heated jacket is £800 and after seeing the results there's no way I'd use one.

Where did you see the results?

[Dave Willis]

"If full power is available to heat up water without any heat losses to the environment it would take 50 hours to heat the water from 10°C to 70°C."

70 would be bloomin hot but 50 hours?

Fitting an element to your van tank is dead easy and far cheaper, cost me about seventy quid including an insulating jacket. Heating to 30 degrees is about 12kw hours of electric every night. 650L

[Smurf]

The ibc insulation jacket doesn’t look like it goes underneath the ibc tank itself where most of the heat would be lost surely?
Likewise the heat pad or heated insulated jacket depending what you buy?

That's got to be the most inefficient and expensive way to heat pure water for wfp work if you ask me.

[Og]

A mate uses these for brewing. Or fermentation rather.

[p1w1]

The ibc insulation jacket doesn’t look like it goes underneath the ibc tank itself where most of the heat would be lost surely?
Likewise the heat pad or heated insulated jacket depending what you buy?

That's got to be the most inefficient and expensive way to heat pure water for wfp work if you ask me.

last time i was at school i got told heat rises 

[sunshine windows]

A local tank fabricator is manufacturing tanks with virtually zero heat loss, fitted with elements. They work really well, as i know a couple of lads that have them

[Harry Roberts]

A local tank fabricator is manufacturing tanks with virtually zero heat loss, fitted with elements. They work really well, as i know a couple of lads that have them

Who making these tanks? Stephen Scargill?

[sunshine windows]

Yes Harry

[Smurf]

The ibc insulation jacket doesn’t look like it goes underneath the ibc tank itself where most of the heat would be lost surely?
Likewise the heat pad or heated insulated jacket depending what you buy?

That's got to be the most inefficient and expensive way to heat pure water for wfp work if you ask me.

last time i was at school i got told heat rises 

Yes but what happens when the bottom of the ibc pallet is left uninsulated/open to the elements and there is an air gap between the insulation jacket, metal frame and tank? It's not going to work very efficently is it now 

[alanwilson]

Well unless you have a flow of cold air passing underneath there will be minimal heat loss.

Light a match indoors, feel the difference in heat above and below the flame. Any heat you feel below is a result of radiant heat from the light of the flame. You don't have this source of energy loss with hot water.

[Smurf]

Well unless you have a flow of cold air passing underneath there will be minimal heat loss.

Light a match indoors, feel the difference in heat above and below the flame. Any heat you feel below is a result of radiant heat from the light of the flame. You don't have this source of energy loss with hot water.

For example which one would you say has better insulation qualities A or B?

A: http://www.diy.com/departments/mangers-4-piece-cylinder-tank-jacket-l1067m-w450mm-t80mm/26876_BQ.prd?ecamp=Seapla&ppc_type=shopping&ds_kids=92700014010422148&gclid=CjwKEAiAu6DBBRDDr6-e_6698E0SJACvuxnymb5dKi0tRzqtSt0ThOrf9Mz7nlDYiIbTRfOJi2kFKhoCfiTw_wcB&dclid=CIGFlLScptACFYmo7QodVsINHA

B: http://www.screwfix.com/p/rm-direct-cylinder-1050-x-450mm/69843

Anyway the best and most efficent way I've found to heat water for wfp work is on demand and not trying to heat a tank up over night.


 

 

[alanwilson]

You're correct that direct heating is more efficient - heat loss is dependent amongst other things, time - no insulating jacket is 100% thermally non conductive (none that I know off anyway)

As for the 2 you posted I don't know which is more thermally efficient as there are no specs attached. With saying that, all our vans have 2inch insulation board around each tank and over the top but not underneath and at most, the water temp only drops 2 degrees over the working day. Each tank (650ltr)has an immersion heater (3kw) and we preheat each tank to 30celsius each night in winter if it's forecast to freeze overnight. We also recirculate the water through the pumps and hoses back into the tank through the night running the varistreams at 1 so as the hoses etc don't freeze.

Works for us and ensures our guys get to work in the morning.

[Smurf]

We have gone a bit of topic from the op but if that works for you then fair play.

I still don't understand fully why the chap wants to heat the water up in his garage ibc storage tanks though. I assume it was to help stop the water freezing as would be a costly and inefficient way if he wanted to heat the water up to use warm water for wfp work surely?