[Ian101]

or 4 part timers in case 2 full timers are muppets and you need to cull staff members

[Tom-01]

this is the simple short version

bigger tank
bigger van if required
employ 2 lads on say £8 an hour plus a decent bonus linked to no complaints, attendance and turnover
you drive
they clean
whilst they clean you canvass, do slips, collect etc
get van up to £7500 turnover a month or £375 per day on 20 days a month
^^^^^ depends what part of uk u from so maybe higher or lower
ban mobile phones unless break time

don't come on here telling others your doing £7500 a month as you will be attacked by the @ankers on here

Should be double that if two workers and a driver!

[supernova77]

Thanks lads. I'm going to get this lad out with me - pay him £100 for the day to lift the reel in and out lol. See what his future plans are and if I think he can add something to the business.

Any clues as to costs re. employing 1 on say £22K?

If you're suffering from aches and pains fixing the reel inside the van would help a great deal.

Andy

[Ian101]

this is the simple short version

bigger tank
bigger van if required
employ 2 lads on say £8 an hour plus a decent bonus linked to no complaints, attendance and turnover
you drive
they clean
whilst they clean you canvass, do slips, collect etc
get van up to £7500 turnover a month or £375 per day on 20 days a month
^^^^^ depends what part of uk u from so maybe higher or lower
ban mobile phones unless break time

don't come on here telling others your doing £7500 a month as you will be attacked by the @ankers on here

Should be double that if two workers and a driver!

I was going by my own low standards and crap priced work 

[AuRavelling79]

At least you have options Carl. This could work nicely.

What is your wife's opinion?

[robbo333]

I'd address the short term issue first, tomorrow I would:
Book some sports massage (a proper qualified person) ideally someone recommended, tell them your issues and see if they can work out a plan. Start doing some pilates or Yoga, think about buying a hot tub (a friend of mine used it to relieve a lot of his aches and pains).
Use a Gardiners Extreme pole 25' and Xtreme brushes, mount the reel in the van (use plumbers pipe holders and cable ties). Cut 60m off your main hose and replace this with Gardiners Reinforced pole hose. You'll feel like you're working with no weight at all and this can all be achieved next week.
As for longer term, I knew of a guy who only used to drive and collect the money, working two lads in the van (trad), so three of them in total. I don't know the facts or figures but he had a nice house!
I suffered with tennis elbow (52 years old) and back problems. All the equipment fixes worked very well for me, nowhere near as bad pain etc.

[tlwcs]

I'd address the short term issue first, tomorrow I would:
Book some sports massage (a proper qualified person) ideally someone recommended, tell them your issues and see if they can work out a plan. Start doing some pilates or Yoga, think about buying a hot tub (a friend of mine used it to relieve a lot of his aches and pains).
Use a Gardiners Extreme pole 25' and Xtreme brushes, mount the reel in the van (use plumbers pipe holders and cable ties). Cut 60m off your main hose and replace this with Gardiners Reinforced pole hose. You'll feel like you're working with no weight at all and this can all be achieved next week.
As for longer term, I knew of a guy who only used to drive and collect the money, working two lads in the van (trad), so three of them in total. I don't know the facts or figures but he had a nice house!
I suffered with tennis elbow (52 years old) and back problems. All the equipment fixes worked very well for me, nowhere near as bad pain etc.

Agree with all this but would add a electric reel and tubeless pole hose conversion.. I have used a 100 mtrs of the blue hose, doing away completely reel hose now for 12 months with no issues. It's just so light.
Tony

[Carl2009]

At least you have options Carl. This could work nicely.

What is your wife's opinion?

She thinks it has legs (the "gifting" the business and retaining control); she also thinks it might be an option to cut down to half the workload and carry on myself, allowing more time for my body to heal. In the back of my mind i'm concerned about rheumatism in older years: i'm a sweaty bloke and constantly wet through right through my undies. I get cold unless I wear loads of layers.  It's not a good scenario long term.

[Carl2009]

Thanks lads. I'm going to get this lad out with me - pay him £100 for the day to lift the reel in and out lol. See what his future plans are and if I think he can add something to the business.

Any clues as to costs re. employing 1 on say £22K?

If you're suffering from aches and pains fixing the reel inside the van would help a great deal.

Andy

Ironically the reel isn't a problem. It's the pole and strain on shoulders and back even though it's an SLX with a Supalight. Repetitive injuries.

[Carl2009]

I'd address the short term issue first, tomorrow I would:
Book some sports massage (a proper qualified person) ideally someone recommended, tell them your issues and see if they can work out a plan. Start doing some pilates or Yoga, think about buying a hot tub (a friend of mine used it to relieve a lot of his aches and pains).
Use a Gardiners Extreme pole 25' and Xtreme brushes, mount the reel in the van (use plumbers pipe holders and cable ties). Cut 60m off your main hose and replace this with Gardiners Reinforced pole hose. You'll feel like you're working with no weight at all and this can all be achieved next week.
As for longer term, I knew of a guy who only used to drive and collect the money, working two lads in the van (trad), so three of them in total. I don't know the facts or figures but he had a nice house!
I suffered with tennis elbow (52 years old) and back problems. All the equipment fixes worked very well for me, nowhere near as bad pain etc.

Agree with all this but would add a electric reel and tubeless pole hose conversion.. I have used a 100 mtrs of the blue hose, doing away completely reel hose now for 12 months with no issues. It's just so light.
Tony

Can you post pics from online to show what you mean. or better still your setup if you can be bothered :-)

[Carl2009]

I'd address the short term issue first, tomorrow I would:
Book some sports massage (a proper qualified person) ideally someone recommended, tell them your issues and see if they can work out a plan. Start doing some pilates or Yoga, think about buying a hot tub (a friend of mine used it to relieve a lot of his aches and pains).
Use a Gardiners Extreme pole 25' and Xtreme brushes, mount the reel in the van (use plumbers pipe holders and cable ties). Cut 60m off your main hose and replace this with Gardiners Reinforced pole hose. You'll feel like you're working with no weight at all and this can all be achieved next week.
As for longer term, I knew of a guy who only used to drive and collect the money, working two lads in the van (trad), so three of them in total. I don't know the facts or figures but he had a nice house!
I suffered with tennis elbow (52 years old) and back problems. All the equipment fixes worked very well for me, nowhere near as bad pain etc.

Appreciate your advice Robbo. Will look into all that.

[tlwcs]

A couple of the reel , the tubeless kit is available from exceed innovations. Stephen has some vids on YouTube

[AuRavelling79]

I'd address the short term issue first, tomorrow I would:
Book some sports massage (a proper qualified person) ideally someone recommended, tell them your issues and see if they can work out a plan. Start doing some pilates or Yoga, think about buying a hot tub (a friend of mine used it to relieve a lot of his aches and pains).
Use a Gardiners Extreme pole 25' and Xtreme brushes, mount the reel in the van (use plumbers pipe holders and cable ties). Cut 60m off your main hose and replace this with Gardiners Reinforced pole hose. You'll feel like you're working with no weight at all and this can all be achieved next week.
As for longer term, I knew of a guy who only used to drive and collect the money, working two lads in the van (trad), so three of them in total. I don't know the facts or figures but he had a nice house!
I suffered with tennis elbow (52 years old) and back problems. All the equipment fixes worked very well for me, nowhere near as bad pain etc.

Agree with all this but would add a electric reel and tubeless pole hose conversion.. I have used a 100 mtrs of the blue hose, doing away completely reel hose now for 12 months with no issues. It's just so light.
Tony

Where do you get the blue hose? And how much is it?

[tlwcs]

I'd address the short term issue first, tomorrow I would:
Book some sports massage (a proper qualified person) ideally someone recommended, tell them your issues and see if they can work out a plan. Start doing some pilates or Yoga, think about buying a hot tub (a friend of mine used it to relieve a lot of his aches and pains).
Use a Gardiners Extreme pole 25' and Xtreme brushes, mount the reel in the van (use plumbers pipe holders and cable ties). Cut 60m off your main hose and replace this with Gardiners Reinforced pole hose. You'll feel like you're working with no weight at all and this can all be achieved next week.
As for longer term, I knew of a guy who only used to drive and collect the money, working two lads in the van (trad), so three of them in total. I don't know the facts or figures but he had a nice house!
I suffered with tennis elbow (52 years old) and back problems. All the equipment fixes worked very well for me, nowhere near as bad pain etc.

Agree with all this but would add a electric reel and tubeless pole hose conversion.. I have used a 100 mtrs of the blue hose, doing away completely reel hose now for 12 months with no issues. It's just so light.
Tony

Where do you get the blue hose? And how much is it?

Exceed pole hose about £90 for 100 mtr I think.

[sunshine windows]

You say you don't want to franchise, but you're talking about paying out 80% of the total income to employ someone and lose 49% of your business.

Employment brings more work and headaches for you, whereas franchising means far less day to day running of things and you'd still get your 20% cut and retain 100% ownership of your business.

[Arnold Palmer]

You say you don't want to franchise, but you're talking about paying out 80% of the total income to employ someone and lose 49% of your business.

Employment brings more work and headaches for you, whereas franchising means far less day to day running of things and you'd still get your 20% cut and retain 100% ownership of your business.

It's a control thing which I sort of understand. Remember though, even if someone is your employee as soon as they drive off your premises they're no longer in your control, not really, yet they are entirely your responsibility. Franchising removes that issue and if you've got the right contract still gives you control over your customers.

The op describes himself as a "demon canvasser" which to me sounds ideal for franchising.

[Carl2009]

A couple of the reel , the tubeless kit is available from exceed innovations. Stephen has some vids on YouTube

Thanks for taking time to post this.

[Carl2009]

You say you don't want to franchise, but you're talking about paying out 80% of the total income to employ someone and lose 49% of your business.

Employment brings more work and headaches for you, whereas franchising means far less day to day running of things and you'd still get your 20% cut and retain 100% ownership of your business.

Fair comment. Hmmmh...

[Carl2009]

You say you don't want to franchise, but you're talking about paying out 80% of the total income to employ someone and lose 49% of your business.

Employment brings more work and headaches for you, whereas franchising means far less day to day running of things and you'd still get your 20% cut and retain 100% ownership of your business.

It's a control thing which I sort of understand. Remember though, even if someone is your employee as soon as they drive off your premises they're no longer in your control, not really, yet they are entirely your responsibility. Franchising removes that issue and if you've got the right contract still gives you control over your customers.

The op describes himself as a "demon canvasser" which to me sounds ideal for franchising.

Another fair comment. Double Hmmmm

[Smurf]

The way I see it Sunshine is still only young and only needs say another 5 franchises bringing a total to 10 and then will never need to work again.

Makes you think don't it