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jamie macdonald

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Another Graffiti question?
« on: October 03, 2016, 07:10:29 pm »
Hi Guys,

Been asked to price up for graffiti removal and would like to know best chemicals to use or can i just use my hot pressure washer ? 200bar/16 lpm with turbo nozzel?  there are a few different surfaces and i dont really want to have to repaint if possible.
please see photos.

also whats the best way to price it up?

any advice would be great

cheers in advance.
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Smudger

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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2016, 07:17:10 pm »
How hot is hot ??

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

jamie macdonald

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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2016, 08:05:56 pm »
its a lanceman so goes to about 70-80 c im guessing not really used the burner much.

same as the one here on ebay -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262651033860?euid=fede7686e6024faf804795d2737d5a98&bu=43607019415&cp=1&exe=12742&ext=32470&es=3&nqc=EGAAAAAAAAAAAABACAAAAEAAAAEAAEAAAAAAAAQBGAAAgAAAAAABAAAgAAgIAAAAAQQAAAAAIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAAEAECEIAAEAAAAAAEAAAABQAAAAABAAACAYAAAAAgAAAAAEAAAAAAABA*&nqt=EGAAAAAAAAgAAABACAAAAEAAAAEAAEAAAAAAAAQBGAAAghIAAAIBIAAgAAgIAAAAAQQAAAAAIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgMAAAEAECEIAAEAAAAAAEAAAABQAAAAABAAACAYAAAAAgAAAAAEAAAAAAABA*&ec=1&sojTags=es=es,nqc=nqc,nqt=nqt,ec=ec,exe=exe,ext=ext,bu=bu
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Smudger

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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2016, 09:15:08 pm »
Then I doubt its hot enough to work without chems applied.

We use tensid if using cold or warm water (90 degree C) maybe worth you renting a thermo tech as it goes to 150 degree C and totally removes graffiti without any chemicals  at all.

Whatever don't use a turbo unless you want to be doing somye repair work after the clean

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

jamie macdonald

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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2016, 10:47:51 am »
Ok thanks Darren I'll take a look at the thermotech
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BDCS

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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2016, 04:23:24 pm »
What is the cladding material ? It looks like you'd be best with plastic safe remover and warm  water

http://www.bdcleaningservices.co.uk/graffiti-removal.html

jamie macdonald

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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2016, 03:25:36 pm »
Hi, I think its the standard aluminium used for most retail outlets / supermarkets. ~Ive managed to buy an industrial steam  cleaner (see pics)

same as the Miraclean 3 i think.

would i need to use any chemical with it or do you think the steam will be enough?
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Yada Yada Yada - www.m-clean.uk

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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2016, 04:39:09 pm »
That's 3 phase - have you got portable 3 phase power?

jamie macdonald

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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2016, 05:12:20 pm »
yes i have a  3 phase gen
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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2016, 06:00:27 pm »
I've got a couple of those machines and they are brilliant for chewing gum in heavy footfall areas, where you can't use hot water machines.

I wouldn't want to use them for the job in the pictures though. In my opinion the steam is too dry and the nozzle is very specific. It could take a long time.

Go down the chemical route - Tensid and a rinse off.

Did you buy the machine for the job or with chewing gum in mind?

jamie macdonald

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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2016, 10:18:23 pm »
Hi Robert,

Thanks for the advise it was for both really :(  i was hoping it would make fast work of graffiti.

still i live and learn looks like ill be going the chemical route as i dont want to waste too much time on the job.

chewing gum now thats a sticky issue, looks like ill be pitching the local pubs to recoup some cash.

whats the best way to price if you dont mind me asking? graffiti and chewing gum? 
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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2016, 11:56:58 pm »
I would go in on the suggested route and take a machine along and see how it goes, get some idea of the machine and it's capabilities

They are a difficult machine that has a narrow market.

My experience is that if you can market as a non invasive service there is an opportunity. Internal chewing gum removal to store entrances, hospitals, supermarket entrances, shopping centres, places you can't use a wet chewing gum removal service.

Mine have been used inside the entrances to a hospital and plenty of supermarket entrances.

You can literally clean next to someones foot with no worry of repercussions.

Pricing - there is the golden question.

Chewing gum stops being litter when it is flattened and the problem is ignored by the vast majority of local authorities. Never really marketed the services, though I have 20 000 leaflets for both up at my unit.

I did a storefront in Bath on Wednesday night, I just used the pressure washer and blew the gum off as I went along, It wouldn't be worth my while removing the gum with the dry steam machine and then pressure washing,

If I get a bad pressure washing job I add a chewing gum removal price onto the clean and do it that way, some of my works are on day/night rates  - subcontract work,  on my own work I price everything.

Graffiti is chems, as hot as possible for speed - rinse off, tidy up and get the invoice in. By the time your machine has heated up someone else may be onto another job.

Probably not the best person to ask on pricing because the refurb programmes aren't open for everyone to price up and work, mostly on rates and multiple services on one location so no mass competition and a graffiti tag may just be picked up when cleaning a perimeter area, which may be walling, walkway, railings and other immediate parts.

When I need to take one of my machines I charge more. When i use chemicals for graffiti I charge more.

You have a reasonably niche machine, find a sales avenue, turn that opportunity into a job and repeat is the best I can offer.

I may pull my finger out with this service after this.

I already have a couple of ideas





chris scott

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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2016, 07:22:33 am »
Sell the machine it is crap..no good for what you want to do.
Ask Kevin Martin to get you some Waterbased and Graffiti off paint.
www.cleaning-service.uk.com
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jamie macdonald

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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2016, 11:06:22 am »
how do i get in touch with kevin martin?
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chris scott

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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2016, 03:53:12 pm »
Search him on here
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www.render-cleaning.co
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Kev Martin

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Re: Another Graffiti question?
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2016, 05:19:26 pm »
how do i get in touch with kevin martin?

I'm Here
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Aqua Power Solutions

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Re: Another Graffiti question? New
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2016, 06:45:01 pm »
Jamie , as the lads have mentioned you need a combination of pressure and heat for removing chewing gum at speed .
Graffiti is a combination of chems , heat  and/or pressure
Pricing ? Now thats a minefield !
Ed


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