[MG Cleaning Co]

Hi Everyone,
How much I should pay to to self employed staff.i provide van, fuel,pure water.
At moment I pay £80 per 8h.
Thank you for opinions.

[Og]

They're not self employed if they don't have their own tools innit?

[MG Cleaning Co]

They're not self employed if they don't have their own tools innit?

I forgot to tell they pay small rent £25 a week.

[8weekly]

I reckon you would be lucky to get away with that unless they have other work. 

[nathankaye]

You really need to explain this better. As it stands your saying you provide van, equipment and water. You pay 80 for 8 hrs work so £10 per hour. But you only charge or lease the equipment for £25 a week?

Do provide the work as well?? Or are they doing their own sork but leasing the equipment of you?? But your paying 80 to them? Am i not reading this right?
Plus are you a business or a charity?

[Mike55]

Hi Everyone,
How much I should pay to to self employed staff.i provide van, fuel,pure water.
At moment I pay £80 per 8h.
Thank you for opinions.

Getting away from the employee v self employed theme, your question mainly depends on how much turnover they're doing.

If you're paying £80 a day you want them to be turning over enough to cover their pay, all your costs, plus whatever net profit margin you want.

[Smudger]

Well I can't see much incentive to be self employed on that rate, once you've allowed holiday and taxes it would average out lower than the minimum wage but I guess that's why your doing it, legally it's a grey area as to whether your in the right or wrong regards self employment, however ethically you may be viewed in a different light

As a sub contractor/self employed you  would  maybe be better working out an hourly turnover you know can be done ( say £40 per hour ) then either give each guy £320 of work (8 hours) then they get 33% (£106)

That would be their cut regardless of time they actually take 5 hours or 11 hours

Darran

[Nick Day]

There are certain basic rules.
They use their own equipment.
Do the work to fit in with their work.
You cannot set them a time schedule.
They issue an invoice for the work.

[steve rix]

As regards to o/p theyare not legally sef employed. If 60 per cent or  more of their income comes from one source  they MUST be paye

[Mike55]

As regards to o/p theyare not legally sef employed. If 60 per cent or  more of their income comes from one source  they MUST be paye

Where did you get that from Steve?

[David Beecroft]

As regards to o/p theyare not legally sef employed. If 60 per cent or  more of their income comes from one source  they MUST be paye

Where did you get that from Steve?

I also would be interested in how you reach that conclusion???

[David Beecroft]

https://www.gov.uk/employment-status/selfemployed-contractor

sets out the basics.