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AuRavelling79

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I read more and more about having a faster flow and working quicker. Can I ask how many litres per minute you generally use at the brush head on a repeat clean?

As in get a bucket, let the initial blast settle down then fill it with your brush over two minutes - how many litres? Divide by two and post your result.

Also what pump/rating/controller (if any) do you use? Length and bore of hose would be useful if you can be  bothered.

I'll do mine a bit later.
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SeanK

Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2016, 01:06:25 pm »
Mine usually sits around 2lts per minute, my 7ltr per minute Shurflo pump is getting on a bit so would be lucky getting two 2.5lts
flat out.

nathankaye

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Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2016, 01:11:35 pm »


Not got a bucket on me whilst working so post flow per min later. But as can see on picture , i use purefreesom surflow pump n controller set at 50. 4 pencil jets on brush and i think its 8mm microbore main hose from purefreedom as well.
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M & C Window Cleaning

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Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2016, 01:34:11 pm »
When free falling there comes a point called 'terminal velocity' where you physically can't go any faster. It's like that when we work. There comes a point when we physically can't work any faster and it's not dependant on how fast our water flow is. So I set my flow rate to give my what I need at the speed at which I can't physically work any faster. For me it's about 40-50% at the controller. If I set it any higher, I can't work any faster so what's the point. I love lots of water but my customers might not. You also get excessive dripping which might even slow you down if it still pouring over the bottom windows when you're ready to clean them.
I get through 25ltr in about 45mins. It's not flowing the whole time so I recon I could be using as little as 1 to 1.5ltrs/min at the brush whilst it's flowing.

SeanK

Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2016, 01:37:22 pm »
When free falling there comes a point called 'terminal velocity' where you physically can't go any faster. It's like that when we work. There comes a point when we physically can't work any faster and it's not dependant on how fast our water flow is. So I set my flow rate to give my what I need at the speed at which I can't physically work any faster. For me it's about 40-50% at the controller. If I set it any higher, I can't work any faster so what's the point. I love lots of water but my customers might not. You also get excessive dripping which might even slow you down if it still pouring over the bottom windows when you're ready to clean them.
I get through 25ltr in about 45mins. It's not flowing the whole time so I recon I could be using as little as 1 to 1.5ltrs/min at the brush whilst it's flowing.

Excellent post, I think most of us clean with the flow we are happy with not the flow we really need.

NWH

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Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2016, 01:38:42 pm »
My controller is the same only it's a heatwave one I have mine on 70 even for regular stuff makes working much quicker and easier to rinse,I see some polers chasing dribbles down the glass which is a waste of time. The more water the quicker you can work,I don't know how a lot of people manage using 250-350ltrs a day even on regular stuff I'd run out most days.

Tosh

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Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2016, 01:58:19 pm »
I run a 10 litre per minute Vyair pump with 6mm hose. When I last tested it off the top of my head I was getting somewhere around the 3.5 litres per minute of water out of the brush head. My controller is set to max.

There is a 12 litre per minute Vyair pump which I am considering getting and also upgrading to an 8 mm hose.

If there was a 15 litre per minute pump I would get that for sure.

You need to consider a number of options that are within your control to decide what is best for you.  For me it's number of nozzles, I use an 18" brush as my brush of choice so have 4 nozzles, hose width - 6mm or 8mm, length of hose as the longer the hose the more resistance there is to slow the water flow down (I believe).
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Mick Kent

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Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2016, 02:54:02 pm »
I only work on number 20 and find thats more than enough flow.
Anything higher i find water bounces everywhere ad causes chaos.

8weekly

Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2016, 03:09:28 pm »
I work with a normal Shurflo pump with controller on full blast rinsing as I clean with fan jste except on first cleans. No idea if it helps, but I love the sound of the water coming out of the brush under pressure.  ;D With pencil jets it's much less "dramatic".

andyM

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Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2016, 03:11:47 pm »
I'm more comfortable working with the brush on the glass using a high flow.
It helps to stop the water bouncing everywhere. I haven't measured my lpm but I have my old analogue controller on maximum (10).
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NWH

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Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2016, 03:58:35 pm »
My water squirts out my brush and lands 12-14ft away at least I find that works best for me it rinses as your scrubbing then the slower the water the longer the job takes I find


Spruce

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Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2016, 04:04:00 pm »
We use Varistream controllers which don't have the fine adjustment the Spring controllers do.

So I have a choice of 3, 4 and 5. I don't know if these flow settings are similar to 30, 40 & 50 on Sprng controllers.

I use a 5.2 lpm Shurflo pump with 100 meters of minibore hose. For my setup 3 is a little less than 1.5 lpm, is a little over and 5 is closer to 2 LPM.

For me 3 is the idea washing phase as I get enough water to wash the window without wasting water. It doesn't provide me with enough water to rinse with effectively. In other words, rinsing takes too long.

 4 provides too much water in the scrubbing phase and whilst it gives a better rinse it is still a tad too slow for me.

5 is a total waste of water in the washing phase but gives a nice rinse speed for me.

We have plenty of water since going the 4040 route, so I usually work with 5  but I know I'm using more water than I would on the same houses with a slower flow. I'm not sure how much time a quicker flow saves me during a day's work. For me its probably minutes rather than hours.

As M & C says, your water flow is going to depend on how fast you can work and also what type of windows you are cleaning. Age is against me so I'm slow, especially when I see the rate at which some younger ones can work at.

If we are cleaning older sash windows in poor condition, I also slow my flow down to 3 and spend very little time washing and rinsing. Its not a flow rate I would use on UPVC windows.

Now if you wanted to compare the flow of cold and hot water with the same setup and same controller, you will notice a big difference in flow rate on the same controller settings.

Your situation is going to be different as you are using pole hose on your hose reel which has a smaller id. Again, as M & C says water can only be pushed so fast down the pipe. Once you get to that point running your pump at a higher pressure isn't going to achieve much more. So your figures will be interesting.

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Arnold Palmer

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Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2016, 05:14:34 pm »


Might be a daft question but why have you wrapped your pump in bubble wrap?

8weekly

Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2016, 05:31:42 pm »


Might be a daft question but why have you wrapped your pump in bubble wrap?
Quite sweet.  ;D

nathankaye

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Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2016, 05:35:20 pm »


Might be a daft question but why have you wrapped your pump in bubble wrap?

Haha, its something i completely forgot about. Ive insulated my tank with silver bubble wrap insulation last winter.  My first winter on wfp and at that time was under impression that the pump filled up before being pushed out and so whilst i was insulated the panal back doors i got carried away and did pump. Realised the stupidness of that but just never got round to taking it off and a yr later .......yep might get round to it if i remember n can be bothered to do so now  ;D
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andyM

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Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2016, 05:43:22 pm »
I run a 10 litre per minute Vyair pump with 6mm hose. When I last tested it off the top of my head I was getting somewhere around the 3.5 litres per minute of water out of the brush head. My controller is set to max.

There is a 12 litre per minute Vyair pump which I am considering getting and also upgrading to an 8 mm hose.

If there was a 15 litre per minute pump I would get that for sure.

You need to consider a number of options that are within your control to decide what is best for you.  For me it's number of nozzles, I use an 18" brush as my brush of choice so have 4 nozzles, hose width - 6mm or 8mm, length of hose as the longer the hose the more resistance there is to slow the water flow down (I believe).

Oh look here he goes again.... always gotta be better than everyone else.... bragging about his 10 lpm and 18" brush.







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8weekly

Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2016, 05:48:35 pm »
I run a 10 litre per minute Vyair pump with 6mm hose. When I last tested it off the top of my head I was getting somewhere around the 3.5 litres per minute of water out of the brush head. My controller is set to max.

There is a 12 litre per minute Vyair pump which I am considering getting and also upgrading to an 8 mm hose.

If there was a 15 litre per minute pump I would get that for sure.

You need to consider a number of options that are within your control to decide what is best for you.  For me it's number of nozzles, I use an 18" brush as my brush of choice so have 4 nozzles, hose width - 6mm or 8mm, length of hose as the longer the hose the more resistance there is to slow the water flow down (I believe).

Oh look here he goes again.... always gotta be better than everyone else.... bragging about his 10 lpm and 18" brush.








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Tosh

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Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2016, 05:56:31 pm »
I run a 10 litre per minute Vyair pump with 6mm hose. When I last tested it off the top of my head I was getting somewhere around the 3.5 litres per minute of water out of the brush head. My controller is set to max.

There is a 12 litre per minute Vyair pump which I am considering getting and also upgrading to an 8 mm hose.

If there was a 15 litre per minute pump I would get that for sure.

You need to consider a number of options that are within your control to decide what is best for you.  For me it's number of nozzles, I use an 18" brush as my brush of choice so have 4 nozzles, hose width - 6mm or 8mm, length of hose as the longer the hose the more resistance there is to slow the water flow down (I believe).

Oh look here he goes again.... always gotta be better than everyone else.... bragging about his 10 lpm and 18" brush.









Ive got a picture of my pump, with my van in the background too  ;D
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Smudger

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Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2016, 06:10:51 pm »


Might be a daft question but why have you wrapped your pump in bubble wrap?

Haha, its something i completely forgot about. Ive insulated my tank with silver bubble wrap insulation last winter.  My first winter on wfp and at that time was under impression that the pump filled up before being pushed out and so whilst i was insulated the panal back doors i got carried away and did pump. Realised the stupidness of that but just never got round to taking it off and a yr later .......yep might get round to it if i remember n can be bothered to do so now  ;D


probably overheat and burn out before then
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Smudger

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Re: Litres per minute at the brush head - survey. Your views please.
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2016, 06:15:04 pm »
i have a 12 ltr per min pump you dont get much extra from it as the back presure makes it cut out, so i doubt a 15 lpm would be any good unless using 1/2 inch bore hose

we run at between 60 and 75 on the digital controllers (6 and 8) analogue flow is tweeked until the fan jets hit a wide strong pattern much more and the water is wasted

Darran
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