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no way Jose

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relocating to the seaside
« on: August 31, 2016, 08:51:01 pm »
Hi everyone
I would really really appreciate all opinions from anyone.
I have a solid round and plenty of work cleaning windows only in london.
I'm seriously thinking of moving out somewhere  on the coast round Suffolk .
I'm just looking for a quality of life which I believe would be better than in london!
I'm just wondering whether it would be possible to start from scratch all over again living in the countryside?
I suppose the demand for window cleaners might be limited and windies who have been around for a long time have the monopoly? Or might turn on me?
Would adding guttering ( using a vacuum cleaner) be an option?
Any advices  would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks


Tom White

Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2016, 09:15:53 pm »
There's a risk to everything in life, but I would expect that other window cleaners wouldn't 'turn on you'.

Cookie

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Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2016, 10:38:43 pm »
There's plenty of windows out there -
 I would suggest you go for it! Is there any way you could keep a couple of days work in London whilst you build up your round in Suffolk?

Spruce

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Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2016, 10:49:48 pm »
Hi everyone
I would really really appreciate all opinions from anyone.
I have a solid round and plenty of work cleaning windows only in london.
I'm seriously thinking of moving out somewhere  on the coast round Suffolk .
I'm just looking for a quality of life which I believe would be better than in london!
I'm just wondering whether it would be possible to start from scratch all over again living in the countryside?
I suppose the demand for window cleaners might be limited and windies who have been around for a long time have the monopoly? Or might turn on me?
Would adding guttering ( using a vacuum cleaner) be an option?
Any advices  would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks

Its called Due Diligence. Although it is used mainly in the case of business purchases, the same principles apply.

You firstly have to choose an area you want to live in and then research it. It may mean knocking on doors over a period of time to identify if there is a need for your services in that area. Availability of accomodation, schooling, shopping centers etc are all important aspects of your DD study.

I bought a diesel heater from a window cleaner on the south coast (Newhaven area.) A portion of his work was in London (south and east) and he felt it paid him to travel that distance. Whilst that may not be the long term goal, at least your work in London could keep you going whilst you build a round where you choose to move to.

Window cleaning is at least regular work. Gutter cleaning isn't, so you would need a much bigger customer base. I personally would stick to one thing, your core business, and put your energies into that.


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Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Smurf

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Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2016, 11:03:03 pm »
I was thinking of relocating to sandbanks but then again maybe not  ;D
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/Sandbanks.html

rosskesava

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Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2016, 12:43:00 am »
Its called Due Diligence. Although it is used mainly in the case of business purchases, the same principles apply.

You firstly have to choose an area you want to live it and then research it. It may mean knocking on doors over a period of time to identify if there is a need for your services in that area. Availability of accomodation, schooling, shopping centers etc are all important aspects of your DD study.

I bought a diesel heater from a window cleaner on the south coast (Newhaven area.) A portion of his work was in London (south and east) and he felt it paid him to travel that distance. Whilst that may not be the long term goal, at least your work in London could keep you going whilst you build a round where you choose to move to.

Window cleaning is at least regular work. Gutter cleaning isn't, so you would need a much bigger customer base. I personally would stick to one thing, your core business, and put your energies into that.


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Forget all that research stuff and studying the area and all that. Sorry Spruce, that may apply to other business's but window cleaning? It's over complicating what is in essence very simple.

Get out of London because it's one big dump and when you move, just go door knocking.

The window cleaner in Newhaven. I live in Brighton and have lots of work in Peacehaven, 5 or 6 miles from Brighton where I live, and Newhaven is next door to Peacehaven. The amount of times I've been asked if I cover Newhaven is ridiculous.

Not only that, when doing the 8 days work I have in Peacehaven (next door to Newhaven), I often get asked to give quotes etc, which I turn down because I have enough work already.

If that window cleaner from Newhaven needs to travel to other areas to get work then he is doing something seriously wrong.
Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.

Spruce

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Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2016, 06:54:10 am »
Its called Due Diligence. Although it is used mainly in the case of business purchases, the same principles apply.

You firstly have to choose an area you want to live it and then research it. It may mean knocking on doors over a period of time to identify if there is a need for your services in that area. Availability of accomodation, schooling, shopping centers etc are all important aspects of your DD study.

I bought a diesel heater from a window cleaner on the south coast (Newhaven area.) A portion of his work was in London (south and east) and he felt it paid him to travel that distance. Whilst that may not be the long term goal, at least your work in London could keep you going whilst you build a round where you choose to move to.

Window cleaning is at least regular work. Gutter cleaning isn't, so you would need a much bigger customer base. I personally would stick to one thing, your core business, and put your energies into that.


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Forget all that research stuff and studying the area and all that. Sorry Spruce, that may apply to other business's but window cleaning? It's over complicating what is in essence very simple.

Get out of London because it's one big dump and when you move, just go door knocking.

The window cleaner in Newhaven. I live in Brighton and have lots of work in Peacehaven, 5 or 6 miles from Brighton where I live, and Newhaven is next door to Peacehaven. The amount of times I've been asked if I cover Newhaven is ridiculous.

Not only that, when doing the 8 days work I have in Peacehaven (next door to Newhaven), I often get asked to give quotes etc, which I turn down because I have enough work already.

If that window cleaner from Newhaven needs to travel to other areas to get work then he is doing something seriously wrong.

Window cleaning; I agree with you Ross. There are plenty of windows for everyone. I was thinking more along the lines of his doing gutter clearing and needing to get kit in order to do it. Sometimes an internet search and scan of local papers and local mags will give someone a clue to the demand for these types of occasional services.

I still believe that you need to research the area you want to move to before making that decision. When you are young its easy to go ahead and just do it. We moved countries several times giving up all to start again. Some of those moves were emotionally driven and not something I would do again.  As you get older you get more cautious. I gather that this is a concern for the op. If it wasn't he wouldn't have brought it up on a thread.

My reference to the cleaner in the Newhaven/Peacehaven area was to point out that it was possible to still move and retain his work in London whilst building a round in his chosen area. It wasn't to discuss his sanity traveling as he did.

I only met this cleaner for maybe half an hour tops, but he maintained that it was still more profitable working in London than locally. We didn't talk in much detail so I can't recall specifics. What I can remember is that I got stuck in trafic all the way down from the M25 so my first thought was why he would bother as he must experience this regularly the same as I did.
He did talk about a pricing divide. He mentioned that on one side of a road (he did mention which road it was but it meant nothing to me) the prices for window cleaning were much better than the other side, so there was much competition among cleaners to get work in the more profitable side.

He lived in a nice house with a well cared for 4 x 4 in the drive and a nice caravan. So my impression was that he was doing OK. Of course you never know where the 'wealth' comes from - inherited etc. Outward appearances are sometimes deceiving.

Personally, I would work as local as I can which is the long term goal of the op.

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Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

dazmond

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Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2016, 07:03:31 am »
i believe anyone can build a round from scratch if their determined but itll take a few years.a lot of canvassing and leafleting and taking on every  job including "one off" add ons,etc.id probably have a website done too and use facebook.

saying that id personally hate to be starting all over again now!im too comfortable and content with my current round and most of my work is in the leafy suburbs or rural. :)
price higher/work harder!

DaveG

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Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2016, 07:06:35 am »
I was thinking of relocating to sandbanks but then again maybe not  ;D
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/Sandbanks.html

Oi, gerroff my patch!
You can't polish a turd

SeanK

Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2016, 07:11:29 am »
Excellent post and reply Spruce, another thing to consider is if the prices aren't as good as in London how will that make you
feel about the job, doing the same work for less money.

8weekly

Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2016, 08:06:54 am »
I wouldn't worry about the pricing. I'd just take my prices with me. There are cheap window cleaners everywhere and its best to ignore them.

When I started I bumped into a window cleaner at a house I was leafleting and he said "who's going to pay more than a fiver for this?" I said nothing, but at that time I'd have priced it at £15 and even then it was too cheap.

Positivity

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Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2016, 08:11:59 am »
Read through the back posts when we were having last year's storms.
The cleaners on the coast were having no end of problems with the salt spray.
I had a round on the coast and it presents some challenges to the way you work.


SeanK

Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2016, 09:10:54 am »
I wouldn't worry about the pricing. I'd just take my prices with me. There are cheap window cleaners everywhere and its best to ignore them.

When I started I bumped into a window cleaner at a house I was leafleting and he said "who's going to pay more than a fiver for this?" I said nothing, but at that time I'd have priced it at £15 and even then it was too cheap.

Mate would you please stop talking bull, so you met a crappy window cleaner who  couldn't do a decent enough job
to get a decent price or hadn't the sense to charge it, who hasn't.
So what happens if the op is used to getting £50 for the same properties, could he get that ?

8weekly

Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2016, 10:29:22 am »
I wouldn't worry about the pricing. I'd just take my prices with me. There are cheap window cleaners everywhere and its best to ignore them.

When I started I bumped into a window cleaner at a house I was leafleting and he said "who's going to pay more than a fiver for this?" I said nothing, but at that time I'd have priced it at £15 and even then it was too cheap.

Mate would you please stop talking bull, so you met a crappy window cleaner who  couldn't do a decent enough job
to get a decent price or hadn't the sense to charge it, who hasn't.
So what happens if the op is used to getting £50 for the same properties, could he get that ?
The point is that in any area there will be cheap window cleaners and not so cheap ones. If you canvass a customer they won't be getting comparative quotes. Quote at a price you are happy with and ignore the cheap prices as the one you have quoted won't be getting a quote from them. If you do a good job, they won't bother getting quotes from anyone else.

How is that bull?

SeanK

Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2016, 11:36:41 am »
I wouldn't worry about the pricing. I'd just take my prices with me. There are cheap window cleaners everywhere and its best to ignore them.

When I started I bumped into a window cleaner at a house I was leafleting and he said "who's going to pay more than a fiver for this?" I said nothing, but at that time I'd have priced it at £15 and even then it was too cheap.

Mate would you please stop talking bull, so you met a crappy window cleaner who  couldn't do a decent enough job
to get a decent price or hadn't the sense to charge it, who hasn't.
So what happens if the op is used to getting £50 for the same properties, could he get that ?
The point is that in any area there will be cheap window cleaners and not so cheap ones. If you canvass a customer they won't be getting comparative quotes. Quote at a price you are happy with and ignore the cheap prices as the one you have quoted won't be getting a quote from them. If you do a good job, they won't bother getting quotes from anyone else.

How is that bull?
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Its nothing to do with cheap or not so cheap window cleaners its to do with what the op is used to, if he cant demand and get
the pricing he's used to then its going to be a lot harder to live on less or even have the same motivation for the job.
It would be like Vin coming into my area and trying to get £30 for a small semi, it wouldn't happen, now forget the nonsense and
ask what effect would that have on Vin or others used to getting more for less graft.
If moving to another area while still needing to work you have to think very seriously about earning potential and if that earning
potential is reduced, what steps do you need to take to make things right.
For me it would be vary hard to put the same care and effort into a job where I was getting less money for the same work
for an employer it mightn't be so bad as it just means employing a couple more to make up the shortfall.

johnwillan

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Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2016, 11:49:12 am »
Hi

One of my colleagues moved to Christchurch Dorset from NW London, it's taking a while to build a round with just flyers but he's happy spending a few days each month back in NW where he has family. I reckon with real commitment knocking doors you'd build a round within 6-8 months or even less. We stick to window cleaning and price exactly as NW London (cost of living is similar too). He's delighted with the move, absolutely loves the area, outdoor life etc, made lots of new friends and would thoroughly recommend it.

HTH

John

STEVE-UK

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Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2016, 12:46:24 pm »
Spruce - That was probably me you bought the heater from

Ross, are you the chap with the Transit connect that does Anzac cl?

STEVE-UK

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Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2016, 12:48:15 pm »
Sell your London round and use the money to buy a round at your new location

8weekly

Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2016, 04:16:15 pm »
I wouldn't worry about the pricing. I'd just take my prices with me. There are cheap window cleaners everywhere and its best to ignore them.

When I started I bumped into a window cleaner at a house I was leafleting and he said "who's going to pay more than a fiver for this?" I said nothing, but at that time I'd have priced it at £15 and even then it was too cheap.

Mate would you please stop talking bull, so you met a crappy window cleaner who  couldn't do a decent enough job
to get a decent price or hadn't the sense to charge it, who hasn't.
So what happens if the op is used to getting £50 for the same properties, could he get that ?
The point is that in any area there will be cheap window cleaners and not so cheap ones. If you canvass a customer they won't be getting comparative quotes. Quote at a price you are happy with and ignore the cheap prices as the one you have quoted won't be getting a quote from them. If you do a good job, they won't bother getting quotes from anyone else.

How is that bull?
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Its nothing to do with cheap or not so cheap window cleaners its to do with what the op is used to, if he cant demand and get
the pricing he's used to then its going to be a lot harder to live on less or even have the same motivation for the job.
It would be like Vin coming into my area and trying to get £30 for a small semi, it wouldn't happen, now forget the nonsense and
ask what effect would that have on Vin or others used to getting more for less graft.
If moving to another area while still needing to work you have to think very seriously about earning potential and if that earning
potential is reduced, what steps do you need to take to make things right.
For me it would be vary hard to put the same care and effort into a job where I was getting less money for the same work
for an employer it mightn't be so bad as it just means employing a couple more to make up the shortfall.
Does he charge £30 for a small semi? Your point seems to be that he needs to be guided by a rate dictated by what others charge.  Others around me charge less, but I know that it's not necessary to drop my prices to compete. I don't know where you live, but if I moved there I'd charge exactly the same prices safe in the knowledge that customers don't as a rule get comparative quotes.

no way Jose

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Re: relocating to the seaside
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2016, 05:05:36 pm »
Many thanks for all those helpful replies!
I'm thinking of moving to aldeburgh in Suffolk  ( where 40% of houses are either second homes or rented holidays homes).
I'm aware I wouldn't earn as much as in london but that's ok as I could buy a mortgage free house.
I'm 50  and my priority is quality of life over making money.
In London I clean either : every 4 ,6 or 8 weeks.
In the countryside it would be more like every 8 weeks I suppose ?
Once again Many thanks