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Dave Willis

Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2016, 08:23:46 pm »
Did you know pure water burns you skin and eats through metal floors and chassis?  :o

nathankaye

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Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2016, 09:08:15 pm »
I personally find the top tip of putting pure water through the outlet (as in the vid link above) is quite effective at dispersing the resin as you push the tubing down and secure the lid.
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p1w1

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Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2016, 09:36:24 pm »
Did you know pure water burns you skin and eats through metal floors and chassis?  :o

A bit like my tap water then, i bet some peoples ro waste water has a lower tds then my tap water.

nathankaye

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Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2016, 10:33:09 pm »
Hi guys some interesting comments, I use double di after the tank, before I read this I went out and stirred up the newest tank and put it back in line and then emptied the old one completely as I thought best not to mix new and old resin, filled it half way and put it all back together.
Ran it through and back to zero on tds.
Hopefully I can get through tomorrow and my new bag will be delivered quickly from pure freedom, just need to not leave it so late next time :-[

So your running a double di system and the slush mix is the 2nd di.    Do i have that right. Be interested to know ur tds before it hits that 2nd di tank and what ur tds is before it hits di.

As far as tosh's answers goes, its a load of tosh! It wouldnt be like using a smaller di vessel as the smaller ds vessel would compact it. Its the same reason why di vessel needs to be full, so it doesnt create gullies or runs in di, making you think di is used up, when in reality its by passing a good proportion of it. Thats why its recommended to tap down on ur di vessel periodically to eradicate this.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Well, I've read some B******x on here in my time but this is up there with the best of 'em!!

Take it from a 13 year Twin DI veteran Nathey boy, you're talking tripe!

So youve been doing it wrong for 13yrs , its ok to admit to a mistake, doesnt make u less of a man mate  ;D
Curious, are you a ro plus twin di or just twin di lucky enough to have softer water.
If first option, curious to why waste money on 2 di and not one descent di.

That's the reason you should refrain from commenting! ;D

13 yrs using 2 11ltr di. How much does that equate to in cost of resin. I agree hindsight is great, but surely buying a ro unit which would reduce tds to a more than acceptable level for window cleaning be more cost effective over 13 yrs of changing resin n thinking everyone else is talking tripe because u have 13 yrs of spending how much on resin?
 ::)roll  ;D
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toby richards

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Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2016, 10:37:10 pm »
ive just noticed my tds has creeped right up and my local shop has closed down so had to order some from pure freedom but ive got enough to fill half a bottle, would that be ok for a day or two untill my resin comes?

Yes it will be ok for a day or two. It's exactly the same as using a smaller DI vessel- regardless of the tripe spoken on here. ;)
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ChumBucket

Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2016, 10:37:24 pm »
Hi guys some interesting comments, I use double di after the tank, before I read this I went out and stirred up the newest tank and put it back in line and then emptied the old one completely as I thought best not to mix new and old resin, filled it half way and put it all back together.
Ran it through and back to zero on tds.
Hopefully I can get through tomorrow and my new bag will be delivered quickly from pure freedom, just need to not leave it so late next time :-[

So your running a double di system and the slush mix is the 2nd di.    Do i have that right. Be interested to know ur tds before it hits that 2nd di tank and what ur tds is before it hits di.

As far as tosh's answers goes, its a load of tosh! It wouldnt be like using a smaller di vessel as the smaller ds vessel would compact it. Its the same reason why di vessel needs to be full, so it doesnt create gullies or runs in di, making you think di is used up, when in reality its by passing a good proportion of it. Thats why its recommended to tap down on ur di vessel periodically to eradicate this.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Well, I've read some B******x on here in my time but this is up there with the best of 'em!!

Take it from a 13 year Twin DI veteran Nathey boy, you're talking tripe!

So youve been doing it wrong for 13yrs , its ok to admit to a mistake, doesnt make u less of a man mate  ;D
Curious, are you a ro plus twin di or just twin di lucky enough to have softer water.
If first option, curious to why waste money on 2 di and not one descent di.

That's the reason you should refrain from commenting! ;D

13 yrs using 2 11ltr di. How much does that equate to in cost of resin. I agree hindsight is great, but surely buying a ro unit which would reduce tds to a more than acceptable level for window cleaning be more cost effective over 13 yrs of changing resin n thinking everyone else is talking tripe because u have 13 yrs of spending how much on resin?
 ::)roll  ;D

Take my previous advice. ;)

dazmond

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Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2016, 07:59:34 am »
ive got into the habit of checking my tds every day after filling up for the next days work and as soon as its starting to creep up i order a new bag(it usually arrives quickly from gardiners).i usually have a bit of resin left over from a previous change so i fill a little DI up with it(2.7L) to tide me over until my new bag arrives.

ive only been caught out once in 6 years wfp when i had to nip to corwoods  for a bag(30 min drive away)as my tds in tank was 36! ::)roll ;D
price higher/work harder!

Positivity

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Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2016, 08:07:21 am »
Empty half the bottle and top up with your unused resin, the old resin will still work along with the new
making it last longer.
I would never mix old with new. Old resin when spent leaches impurities back into the water.
I have seen my water going in the DI vessel at 90 and coming out at 140 when the resin is spent.
Once it is exhausted you have to monitor it, it can rise dramatically.

SeanK

Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2016, 08:36:14 am »
Empty half the bottle and top up with your unused resin, the old resin will still work along with the new
making it last longer.
I would never mix old with new. Old resin when spent leaches impurities back into the water.
I have seen my water going in the DI vessel at 90 and coming out at 140 when the resin is spent.
Once it is exhausted you have to monitor it, it can rise dramatically.

That makes no sense what so ever, who keeps resin until its spent ? most will replace at around 5ppm but even if you
replace it at 20ppm its far from spent.
By your logic running a double DI would be pointless as bottle one would leach impurities into bottle two and save nothing,
seriously a bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss on here at times.

Tosh

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Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2016, 12:23:51 pm »
I once knew a bloke who'd only fill his D.I. vessel half full; reckoned it meant he halved his D.I. resin bill.   

Once he said he'd filled it only a quarter full; reckoned it meant his D.I. cost himself  quarter what it did before.
*A HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE - THE SHORT STORY* 'Hydrogen is a light, odorless gas, which, given enough time, turns into people.'

SeanK

Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2016, 01:08:36 pm »
I once knew a bloke who'd only fill his D.I. vessel half full; reckoned it meant he halved his D.I. resin bill.   

Once he said he'd filled it only a quarter full; reckoned it meant his D.I. cost himself  quarter what it did before.

I know that same guy, he never got paid for cleaning a local restaurant so to get them back he ordered a meal with all the
trimmings, paid for it in advance and ran out before eating it.

Positivity

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Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2016, 01:15:11 pm »
Empty half the bottle and top up with your unused resin, the old resin will still work along with the new
making it last longer.
I would never mix old with new. Old resin when spent leaches impurities back into the water.
I have seen my water going in the DI vessel at 90 and coming out at 140 when the resin is spent.
Once it is exhausted you have to monitor it, it can rise dramatically.
That makes no sense what so ever, who keeps resin until its spent ? most will replace at around 5ppm but even if you
replace it at 20ppm its far from spent.
By your logic running a double DI would be pointless as bottle one would leach impurities into bottle two and save nothing,
seriously a bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss on here at times.
Nonsense it is spent when it reaches the TDS level of the water you are putting through it. Otherwise according to your reckoning the resin would last forever.
If you don't believe me try it.
I put tap water through at 90 TDS once the TDS level coming out reaches 90 it is spent and pointless to use it further.
It's illogical and the chemistry is not understood by me but I can assure you once output reaches the TDS level of the water you put in it doesn't stay at that level but increases rapidly. Very rapidly!


SeanK

Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2016, 02:52:43 pm »
Empty half the bottle and top up with your unused resin, the old resin will still work along with the new
making it last longer.
I would never mix old with new. Old resin when spent leaches impurities back into the water.
I have seen my water going in the DI vessel at 90 and coming out at 140 when the resin is spent.
Once it is exhausted you have to monitor it, it can rise dramatically.
That makes no sense what so ever, who keeps resin until its spent ? most will replace at around 5ppm but even if you
replace it at 20ppm its far from spent.
By your logic running a double DI would be pointless as bottle one would leach impurities into bottle two and save nothing,
seriously a bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss on here at times.
Nonsense it is spent when it reaches the TDS level of the water you are putting through it. Otherwise according to your reckoning the resin would last forever.
If you don't believe me try it.
I put tap water through at 90 TDS once the TDS level coming out reaches 90 it is spent and pointless to use it further.
It's illogical and the chemistry is not understood by me but I can assure you once output reaches the TDS level of the water you put in it doesn't stay at that level but increases rapidly. Very rapidly!
Exactly the resin is spent when its no longer removing anything from the water nobody is saying any different.
But again your missing the point which is most will change the resin long before its removing nothing, so lets say it reaches 10
and like the op you only have enough resin to fill half the vessel, so what's the problem in keeping the half still bringing it down
to 10 which is not spent and adding another half taking it to zero ?

DaveG

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Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2016, 03:33:05 pm »
I once knew a bloke who'd only fill his D.I. vessel half full; reckoned it meant he halved his D.I. resin bill.   

Once he said he'd filled it only a quarter full; reckoned it meant his D.I. cost himself  quarter what it did before.

I know that same guy, he never got paid for cleaning a local restaurant so to get them back he ordered a meal with all the
trimmings, paid for it in advance and ran out before eating it.

 ;D ;D
You can't polish a turd

Arnold Palmer

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Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2016, 03:35:06 pm »
Empty half the bottle and top up with your unused resin, the old resin will still work along with the new
making it last longer.
I would never mix old with new. Old resin when spent leaches impurities back into the water.
I have seen my water going in the DI vessel at 90 and coming out at 140 when the resin is spent.
Once it is exhausted you have to monitor it, it can rise dramatically.
That makes no sense what so ever, who keeps resin until its spent ? most will replace at around 5ppm but even if you
replace it at 20ppm its far from spent.
By your logic running a double DI would be pointless as bottle one would leach impurities into bottle two and save nothing,
seriously a bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss on here at times.
Nonsense it is spent when it reaches the TDS level of the water you are putting through it. Otherwise according to your reckoning the resin would last forever.
If you don't believe me try it.
I put tap water through at 90 TDS once the TDS level coming out reaches 90 it is spent and pointless to use it further.
It's illogical and the chemistry is not understood by me but I can assure you once output reaches the TDS level of the water you put in it doesn't stay at that level but increases rapidly. Very rapidly!
Exactly the resin is spent when its no longer removing anything from the water nobody is saying any different.
But again your missing the point which is most will change the resin long before its removing nothing, so lets say it reaches 10
and like the op you only have enough resin to fill half the vessel, so what's the problem in keeping the half still bringing it down
to 10 which is not spent and adding another half taking it to zero ?

Which half do you remove though? You'd think the stuff at the bottom goes first??
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mufcglen

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Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2016, 03:43:38 pm »
hi guys just to let you know i worked today with half a bottle on the 2nd di and kept checking throughout the day and stayed zero and with the nice weather i was able to check it was drying ok too, hopefully this resin turns up and i'll top the bottle up.
normally i always fill to the curve of the neck about 3/4 full and works fine for me.

Dave Willis

Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2016, 05:43:13 pm »
Always better to run them half empty rather than half full.

Tosh

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Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2016, 06:49:16 pm »
hi guys just to let you know i worked today with half a bottle

Half a bottle? What happened to the other half? Or was it half full, instead of being half empty?
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Stoots

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Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2016, 08:47:38 pm »
D.I vessels only work when full

try it and find out the hard way

ChumBucket

Re: filling a di bottle half full?
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2016, 09:10:38 pm »
D.I vessels only work when full

try it and find out the hard way

Tried it, many times, you're wrong.