[Harry Roberts]

Hi guys
I'm having a water softner fitted soon and have the chance for a feed in my garage where I produce my pure for work. Currently my tds reading is around 290. Should I expect to see this fall with it fitted?

Cheers

[Spruce]

Hi guys
I'm having a water softner fitted soon and have the chance for a feed in my garage where I produce my pure for work. Currently my tds reading is around 290. Should I expect to see this fall with it fitted?

Cheers

No, a water softener won't change your tds.

A water softener removes the calcium and magnesium ions in your water and replaces them with sodium ions.

Fitting a water softener will help preserve the life of the membranes. Sodium ions are much kinder to membranes than calcium and magnesium ions are.

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[SeanK]

Not 100% sure but as your replacing calcium and magnesium with sodium I cant see much difference, not a fan of water
softeners or anything that puts salt into our water, you would be surprised at how many dishwasher users still fill the water
softener with salt and don't even have hard water.
That said if your appliances are getting ruined then what can you do, I would still have a separate supply for drinking as its a lot
better to drink mineral water.

[robert mitchell]

Not 100% sure but as your replacing calcium and magnesium with sodium I cant see much difference, not a fan of water
softeners or anything that puts salt into our water, you would be surprised at how many dishwasher users still fill the water
softener with salt and don't even have hard water.
That said if your appliances are getting ruined then what can you do, I would still have a separate supply for drinking as its a lot
better to drink mineral water.

When they fit a softener they usually fit a seperate tap for drinking water , the only reason for that is so you dont end up with too high a salt intake from drinking the softened water .

mineral water is a big con , most research suggests you dont actually absorb any of it from the water .

I thin its worth it to preserve your membrane , its mostly calcium that deteriorates your membrane .

[SeanK]

Not 100% sure but as your replacing calcium and magnesium with sodium I cant see much difference, not a fan of water
softeners or anything that puts salt into our water, you would be surprised at how many dishwasher users still fill the water
softener with salt and don't even have hard water.
That said if your appliances are getting ruined then what can you do, I would still have a separate supply for drinking as its a lot
better to drink mineral water.

When they fit a softener they usually fit a seperate tap for drinking water , the only reason for that is so you dont end up with too high a salt intake from drinking the softened water .

mineral water is a big con , most research suggests you dont actually absorb any of it from the water .

I thin its worth it to preserve your membrane , its mostly calcium that deteriorates your membrane .

Look at the research again, you get minerals from all drinking water, the con is to do with the overpriced bottled waters
claiming to do allsorts.
Household water softeners all fall within the safe sodium drinking levels so there's no need for a separate tap on health
grounds.

[robert mitchell]

Not 100% sure but as your replacing calcium and magnesium with sodium I cant see much difference, not a fan of water
softeners or anything that puts salt into our water, you would be surprised at how many dishwasher users still fill the water
softener with salt and don't even have hard water.
That said if your appliances are getting ruined then what can you do, I would still have a separate supply for drinking as its a lot
better to drink mineral water.

When they fit a softener they usually fit a seperate tap for drinking water , the only reason for that is so you dont end up with too high a salt intake from drinking the softened water .

mineral water is a big con , most research suggests you dont actually absorb any of it from the water .

I thin its worth it to preserve your membrane , its mostly calcium that deteriorates your membrane .

Look at the research again, you get minerals from all drinking water, the con is to do with the overpriced bottled waters
claiming to do allsorts.
Household water softeners all fall within the safe sodium drinking levels so there's no need for a separate tap on health
grounds.

http://www.freedrinkingwater.com/water-education/quality-water-mineral.htm

[SeanK]

caloriebee.com/nutrition/Health-benefits-of-mineral-Water

If it works there's one to start you off, try and stick to guys that aren't selling products.
Unfortunately I'm having trouble putting up links or could show you a few
better examples but its all there to google.

[robert mitchell]

caloriebee.com/nutrition/Health-benefits-of-mineral-Water

If it works there's one to start you off, try and stick to guys that aren't selling products.
Unfortunately I'm having trouble putting up links or could show you a few
better examples but its all there to google.

I couldnt be bothered to search any further , im not bothered enough . 

most water softener fitters do offer a seperate tap for drinking water though .

[martin hulstone]

A water softener will give your membranes longer life, but if like me you produce around a thousand litres a day the cost of salt for flushing is far higher than replacing your membranes!

[Flash..]

The other day the water coming out of my 4040 was at 15ppm when it is usualy at 10ppm.  The reason for this was my softener was out of salt so as well as looking after the membrane I think there is an improvement in water qualty with a softener.

[robert mitchell]

The other day the water coming out of my 4040 was at 15ppm when it is usualy at 10ppm.  The reason for this was my softener was out of salt so as well as looking after the membrane I think there is an improvement in water qualty with a softener.

Thats probably because the ro can deal with the sodium better than the calcium , i think your membrane will last much much longer .
Wether it saves money or not i wouldnt know .

[JRH]

A few this i  have come across whilst using a water softener. About 4 years ago i moved my business in to a small industrial unit 5 miles from where i used to be. Within weeks i started getting problem with my RO. Got new membranes thinking they were coming to the end of their life and that would be the problem, but again same thing happen. I noticed that the kettle for making a cup of tea was loaded with limescale / Calcium couldn't believe it . Had a water softener put in and the RO worked like a dream. Well up until lately. I use about 100kg of salt each month but noticed that the softener wasn't using hardly any salt also my water pressure was rising and the pure water volume was going down. I had changed the brand of salt i had been using and supposed that this was why.  As things got worse i got the guy/agent  from the water softener company out and the mechanical head of the softener had a blockage, stopping it from working. Wondered if i had done my membranes in as the volume of pure water had about halved and asked the agent what he thought. He said that once the resin vessels for the softener were regenerated and the membranes were being feed by the water softener the membranes would once again function ok.  He was totally right, and all back to normal. I ask him how i could tell in the future if the softener was working correctly if i noticed that the salt hopper was not depleting? He gave me a test tube with a little box of tablets in it and said to fill the test tube with water after softener and drop a tablet into it, if the water turns green the sortner is working correctly, if it turns red then its not working .  If i didn't have the water softener i would have to change the two 40/40 membranes on my RO every month  as i wouldn't be able to make water fast enough for supply and demand. So spending £53.00 per month on salt is a good way to go for me as  i normally  would only change the membranes every couple of years now having the water softener.  {Message for Rob Mitchell at I shine. I know that we live in the same town and as yet we have never meet and wondered if you would like to meet up for coffee sometime?}

Jase

[robert mitchell]

A few this i  have come across whilst using a water softener. About 4 years ago i moved my business in to a small industrial unit 5 miles from where i used to be. Within weeks i started getting problem with my RO. Got new membranes thinking they were coming to the end of their life and that would be the problem, but again same thing happen. I noticed that the kettle for making a cup of tea was loaded with limescale / Calcium couldn't believe it . Had a water softener put in and the RO worked like a dream. Well up until lately. I use about 100kg of salt each month but noticed that the softener wasn't using hardly any salt also my water pressure was rising and the pure water volume was going down. I had changed the brand of salt i had been using and supposed that this was why.  As things got worse i got the guy/agent  from the water softener company out and the mechanical head of the softener had a blockage, stopping it from working. Wondered if i had done my membranes in as the volume of pure water had about halved and asked the agent what he thought. He said that once the resin vessels for the softener were regenerated and the membranes were being feed by the water softener the membranes would once again function ok.  He was totally right, and all back to normal. I ask him how i could tell in the future if the softener was working correctly if i noticed that the salt hopper was not depleting? He gave me a test tube with a little box of tablets in it and said to fill the test tube with water after softener and drop a tablet into it, if the water turns green the sortner is working correctly, if it turns red then its not working .  If i didn't have the water softener i would have to change the two 40/40 membranes on my RO every month  as i wouldn't be able to make water fast enough for supply and demand. So spending £53.00 per month on salt is a good way to go for me as  i normally  would only change the membranes every couple of years now having the water softener.  {Message for Rob Mitchell at I shine. I know that we live in the same town and as yet we have never meet and wondered if you would like to meet up for coffee sometime?}

Jase

Yes mate , have seen your van around a few times , would be good to meet up .......number is 07775434107 .