[edward coller]

viewed and booked the job today. Done lots of trad Ax this is a looppile and views as if it has lines in the carpet. Lightly soiled but im feeling a little bit nervy ,100% wool, and most areas will require very light clean. Im thinking HWE as for normal or could texatherm  to keep moisture to min. allwell fitted and tight. Someone tell me im just being silly! simon

[Hilton]

If you have tex system use that , LM clean best route to go on this.

[Mike Halliday]

since when was bonneting a safer alternative on 100% wool carpets?  ( or most carpets) I would HWE clean this carpet, if you want to keep the moisture low then turn down the pressure

[Hilton]

For as long as I can remember , 
If you are concerned about over wetting LM all the way,

[Mike Halliday]

Maybe in your head but I think most professional carpet cleaner would disagree, the risk of damage on wool carpets is greater with rotary systems than HWE  and over wetting  should be a consideration on any carpet fibre not just wool..... so correct wanding technique should be accepted as the norm to limit the chance of over wetting

To reccomend LM for wool just because its considered a 'low moisture' system show a lack of basic cleaning knowledge ....have you ever cleaned a carpet ? Or just read a few post about it on CIU

As a side note .... I don't even remember bonnet cleaning being mentioned on the Woolsafe training course I attended ( did I Mention I got 96% in the final exam ) perhaps a more recent attendee might remember

[dutchman]

I would agree with Mike. If your nervy just clean the bit thats under hidden under the sofa first to get your eye in and see how the carpet responds and go from there. Would not touch it with bonnets unless you have done loads this way. They often slightly fuzz when wanded but this goes away when they are dry and the fibres lie flat again. Dont go too hot but let the pre spray do the work.

[DB]

I have to agree with Mike....this is basic carpet cleaning

[Hilton]

Maybe in your head but I think most professional carpet cleaner would disagree, the risk of damage on wool carpets is greater with rotary systems than HWE  and over wetting  should be a consideration on any carpet fibre not just wool..... so correct wanding technique should be accepted as the norm to limit the chance of over wetting

To reccomend LM for wool just because its considered a 'low moisture' system show a lack of basic cleaning knowledge ....have you ever cleaned a carpet ? Or just read a few post about it on CIU

As a side note .... I don't even remember bonnet cleaning being mentioned on the Woolsafe training course I attended ( did I Mention I got 96% in the final exam ) perhaps a more recent attendee might remember

You certainly get 100% for arrogance .
But no never cleaned a carpet in my life.

[*Hector*]

But you have written loads of articles on it though Hilti...... 

 

[Hilton]

  Yep loads.

[Mike Halliday]

Hilton, the problem is you are an anonymous person who refuses to give their real identity or list a website or any information about yourself, this coupled with the often terrible advice you give means you are a danger to any inexperienced  carpet cleaners.

You are oblivious or don't care about the damage someone may cause by following your advice.

If you are some big authority on carpet cleaning ( or anything!!) please let's us know.

[Robin Ray]

Agree, bonneting a 100% wool loop pile carpet is not a great idea, pile distortion is a big issue.

Its probibly best to clean with some decent detergents something like prespray gold then fibresafe gold. Detergents benefit from not needing as much agitation. If agitation is needed use a tampico brush.

[Hilton]

It's a funny how this chap , who asked a perfectly reasonable question did not get any responses for over a day yet had 80 views, until I said it was fine to LM (which it is) using Texatherm (which it is)  on a wool blend or 100% wool (which it is) if he was concerned about using too much moisture.

Yet once Mike superstar pitches in with his usual  listen to me I know best comments, suddenly everyone's an expert and are frightened to death of touching a wool carpet with a pad..

You can bonnet clean wool carpets no problem with out causing any damage it's completely irresponsible  to say otherwise whether you just want to keep moisture to a minimum or a carrying  out a straightforward clean.Mike has an irrational hatred of all things related to bonneting I think it's something to  do with ' my ones bigger than yours' syndrome and as a result when any one dares to mention that they use one of these systems he launches a tirade of condescending comments about how poor and unprofessional you must be , it's boorish  bullying behaviour , ignore him eventually he goes away.

I will not get into trading insults as  he seems intent on doing, I would simply say if you know nothing about procedures using pads then do not feel you are qualified to comment and of course DF and Texatherm are Woolsafe approved you would think with all his immense knowledge that he would have known this.

My views differ from yours, (by yours I mean most that have responded to this post)that's fine the forum is for asking questions and getting advice you may take up that advice or choose to ignore it but when you are accused of giving 'consistently 'poor advice , without any examples I might add, that would cause damage to an inexperienced  cleaner then you are over stepping the mark, this is what I have been accused off..

By the way I don't have a web site, I don't need one , I have already said I don't clean carpets , well  that's not strictly true, I do the occasional clean just as a hobby type thing.I am also not a big authority on anything and don't pretend to be ,I leave that to you.

Any way back to the question, yes can LM that carpet using a Texatherm system you will not damage it if you follow the correct procedure, although after reading the pony posted on here you are probably too scared now.

What would be useful would be if an 'authority' from DF or Texatherm commented on here  to back up their systems with regards to Wool cleaning, I am sure they would take issue with ill informed comments that might affect their sales.

[Mike Halliday]

Hilton ( still posting  anonimously    ) where do I start with so  many made up and inaccurate  points, its like you have a point to make so make up a statement to suit it, your post is so  full of waffle.

Let's just answer a few of your idiotic points......

'80 views in one day and no replies'........ This is how forums are. This  is not 80 individual people viewing and not replying, there  will be multiple views by certain people,  just because someone  views a post does not mean they have a helpful answer (so they don't reply)  your single one line response was inappropriate and lazy, could you not at least have elaborated on the reason you gave your answer.

'Mike has an irrational hatred of bonneting'  ..........     not even worth typing an answer to

'Trading insult as he seams intent on doing'..... Who have I insulted? You? Where? I have called into question your proffesionalism & knowledge how is this an insult? It is an opportunity for you to tell us how you are qualified to advice on questions asked , but still you refuse to give any information about yourself.

'Ignore him he will eventually go away'......... This is my personal favourite    the last thing I will do is go away, I've been here a long time. This is why I can recognise people who talk a good clean but have rarely  pushed a wand.

Bonneting wool carpets is a big subject and you would like everyone to believe I'm critical of it but far from it , chemdry for years bonneted every carpet they cleaned with out many problems. I'm against bad advice in its entirety, unilaterally reccomending bonneting for wool based solely that it used less water is  bad advice.

I could keep going on but I'm I have better things to do,   Like many people on here you type a good, well written post but don't think you are fooling anyone, people can recognise waffle when they read it. Until you tell us your background you have zero credibility which makes your post laughable

[Hilton]

"People can recognise waffle when they read it" 

[Hilton]

Hilton ( still posting  anonimously    ) where do I start (at the beginning) with so  many made up and inaccurate  points (elaborate), its like you have a point to make so make up a statement to suit it (what does that even mean  ) your post is so  full of waffle.

Let's just answer a few of your idiotic points...... (insult)

'80 views in one day and no replies'........ This is how forums are. This  is not 80 individual people ( I know, I said 'views') viewing and not replying, there  will be multiple views by certain people,  just because someone  views a post does not mean they have a helpful answer (so they don't reply)  your single one line response was inappropriate (no it wasn't it was good advice) and lazy, could you not at least have elaborated on the reason you gave your answer.(No it was so obvious I did not need to elaborate)

'Mike has an irrational hatred of bonneting'  ..........     not even worth typing an answer to (if anyone does even a small search they will see the evidence)

'Trading insult as he seams intent on doing'..... Who have I insulted? You? Where? I have called into question your proffesionalism & knowledge how is this an insult? It is an opportunity for you to tell us how you are qualified to advice on questions asked , but still you refuse to give any information about yourself. (You stated I have given bad advice on many occasions,that's disrespectful hence an insult)

'Ignore him he will eventually go away'......... This is my personal favourite    the last thing I will do is go away, I've been here a long time. (yes you have, have you given that much thought ?)This is why I can recognise people who talk a good clean but have rarely  pushed a wand.(you really shouldn't push wands it can damage the pile)

Bonneting wool carpets is a big subject (whats big about it, pretty basis stuff I would have thought) and you would like everyone to believe I'm critical of it (yes you are and everyone knows it) but far from it , chemdry for years bonneted every carpet they cleaned with out many problems. I'm against bad advice in its entirety, unilaterally reccomending bonneting for wool based solely that it used less water is  bad advice.(no it's not it very good advice, given the circumstances)

I could keep going on but I'm I have better things to do,   Like many people on here you type a good, well written post but don't think you are fooling anyone, people can recognise waffle when they read it. Until you tell us your background you have zero credibility which makes your post laughable ( you really are full of your own self-importance aren't you, I am not looking for your approval, zero credibility ? I can live with that )

I have to go out now and cut the grass with a pair scissors.

[edward coller]

Wow ,did not imagine that my question would start all that...but thank you for the replies, and they have been helpful in deciding how to go about the job. Happy Cleaning to all, Simon

[Paul Pearce]

Moorland Ax is not a loop pile, at least not as far as I know. If it is a wool loop pile then I would be very cautious about using a pad or bonnet system on it. The risk of fuzzing the pile is too risky. 

However I believe the Moorland range to be twist pile. HWE would be a preferred method. I would even find the manufacturers guidelines and work from there.

If you are using a pad or bonnet system its all about lubrication.

Regards Paul

[neil 47]

Edward

I would vac it ,use wool safe ms, then agite with crb with soft brushes, then extract with warm water rinse low psi slow drying strokes after , it should be nearly dry /slightly damp .

I managed to get a host crb off a forum cc, with 5 sets of brushes and i must say im really impressed by the host ( i have also a pro 35) the host seem a bit faster and seems to clean better than the pro 35 i did a full house today with dynamall and the host and the results were great and carpet was practically dry when we left . I'm Not sure if dynamall is wool safe ( I doubt it)

[DAVID NEWMAN]

I have only ever posted one reply on this site and that was approximately 4 to 5 years ago.  I carpet cleaned nearly 30 years ago, so can not claim to be 'up to date' but am planning to return and have been on recent training courses, and hope to start part time soon.
I have found this site useful over the years, as it appears to be a good bell weather of the economy and full of useful information. During those years however; I have done other things since, one of which is working in a mental health environment for over 20 years.
As I say, only posted once but feel as if I have to again, due to concerns of recent posts.
I am not in a position to comment who is correct between Mike Halliday or Hilton, as I do not have the required knowledge but I feel extremely uncomfortable by recent posts. What I can comment on, is in my personal opinion the claim that Hilton is being bullied. If I was an independent adjudicator.  I would say he is. He gave an OPINION. He does not have to justify that opinion. It is his OPINION. Whether it is right or wrong. It is an opinion, it is for others to decide. If it is right or wrong but it must respected as a point of view.  The level of herd mentality, is worrying. As Mike is an adjudicator,  I find it EXTREMELY disturbing that he has become engaged in a such a debate. I acknowledge his knowledge is invaluable but that has to weighed against giving inparticial advise and recognising others may have other opinions, whether in his opinion it is right or wrong.