[simonr]

accepta recommended this to use as a surfactant with hypo

[chris scott]

I'm of the opinion it's a data sheet.

[simonr]

sigh

but i'm one of the uneducated that doesn't do research so i don't know what it means or whether its good stuff

[chris scott]

Just use Fairy liquid …£1per litre from Home and Bargain.

[simonr]

  nice 1

[Smurf]

Whatever you decide to add to hypo if it turns instantly milky and starts giving off gas best hold yer breath and run like fook. While yer at it best get someone to evacuate the whole neighbourhood too as you have inadvertently just made yourself  a biological weapon...GAS, GAS, GAS Oops! 

[nathankaye]

Ive started to use ammonyx lo, which foams up lovely.

In addition purchase a small cage n stick a budgie in it. If the budgie is on its back and legs in air when you make your mix up, well............run! 

[simonr]

Whatever you decide to add to hypo if it turns instantly milky and starts giving off gas best hold yer breath and run like fook. While yer at it best get someone to evacuate the whole neighbourhood too as you have inadvertently just made yourself  a biological weapon...GAS, GAS, GAS Oops! 

i've already done my garden path (tarmac ) and wall ( brick ) & some black staining by my door & under the soffits with neat  hypo ( 11% )  sprayed it on at night & left it & the bricks went white & the black stain greyed a bit but the tarmac never changed & none of the weeds /grass died
only a guess like but i think if it was that easy to make mustard gas half the farmers round me would be dead
but its good to check 

[Mike Halliday]

What are you wanting to happen to the hypo? It clings better to vertical surfaces ?

Adding something to make it foamy just gives a visual idicator  and I think that can be very misleading, just because it's all white and foamy does not mean it has an  optimal  amount of hypo in that area it's just got lots of foamy bubbles created by the brushing action.

Do bubbles aid cleaning? Or do you believe the surfactant acts as a catalyst for the saponification of soils into a aqueous medium which will  rinse more easily?......... ( ok I made that bit up to look clever )

[chris scott]

Adding something to make it foamy just gives a visual idicator  and I think that can be very misleading, just because it's all white and foamy does not mean it has an  optimal  amount of hypo in that area it's just got lots of foamy bubbles created by the brushing action.

Adding a surfactant reduces the amount of bleach need to do the job…. come on  Mike this basics.

[Smurf]

Just don't go selling it whithout a vented cap 

[simonr]

What are you wanting to happen to the hypo? It clings better to vertical surfaces ?

Adding something to make it foamy just gives a visual idicator  and I think that can be very misleading, just because it's all white and foamy does not mean it has an  optimal  amount of hypo in that area it's just got lots of foamy bubbles created by the brushing action.

Do bubbles aid cleaning? Or do you believe the surfactant acts as a catalyst for the saponification of soils into a aqueous medium which will  rinse more easily?......... ( ok I made that bit up to look clever )

cling to surfaces better & this -  Adding a surfactant reduces the amount of bleach need to do the job -
the ones advertised on fb all say they enhance the mix   
i found this firm accepta  & asked what they recommended.  if fairy is just as good even better but its all pretty detailed & hard to understand  without just asking on here

[Smurf]

I don't think you will get any straight answers on here as people do like to keep secrets what works best for them.

[Mike Halliday]

I'd be really Interested in someone explaining how a surfactant helps a bleach clean, it might be basic stuff but I like to think my chemical knowledge is above average and I know how surfactants in thier  many guises work, but considering bleaches are not detergents and do not remove dirt I don't see how  adding them helps, bleaches don't need a wetting agent or help in holding dirt in suspension  or anything else a surfactant helps with.

Does it increase chemical reaction? or hinder evaporation so the bleach has longer to work? Are we just referring to oxidising bleached or also reducing agents?

Might be worth talking to Acceptas' technical department  to see what they say, they mention adding it to oxidising biocides but does this include S/H?

[simonr]

mike, i looked on acceptas website & then emailed them & said i was looking for a surfactant to use with hypo for patios,render etc & they recommended what they call  accepta 2617 &  sent me the above fact sheets
all the reading i've done suggests using a surfactant  and suggests that doing so aids/enhances hypo  there's one that all over fb, but they could put whatever facts they wanted, they could even put this

Or do you believe the surfactant acts as a catalyst for the saponification of soils into a aqueous medium which will  rinse more easily?.........

and probably 90% of us wouldn't  know if that's true or not cos that is very similar to something i have read about surfactants but again that was either on here or fb

[chris scott]

A surfactant only job (as been discussed) is "to hold" the bleach on the surface . It has no "cleaning " effect ..or nothing worth mentioning. Wall paper paste works well too.

[Smurf]

That reminds me chris the frenchman sold me 5 ltrs of what looks like smelly wall paper paste   

[BDCS]

American cream soda works just as well as the wall paper paste but lacks biocide

[serj shergill]

I use aldi own brand bubble bath, it contains the same ingredient that many surfactants contain but cost a fortune.. only 59p from aldi... it's like a foam party..