[Nameless Drudge]

Complete minefield , acceptable prices until you find the roof applications which are generally 3-400 % more, leaving me to suspect it's a cheaper solution re-labelled.
Lady calls for a small patio quote and explains she normally does it with a hose pipe,brush and the cheapest fabric softener she can buy and it takes all the green away .
Guess what?,fabric softener is a quat!

So it's lots of trial and error and possible waste of money or blindly trusting those  advertising hardest.Not found one explanation anywhere of products and comparison.

5 litres of algoclear pro at 87.72 plus 11.95 delivery. I am not sure I trust the dilution rates either.
I seek advice. The most expensive may well be the best but I currently have no idea so any help or pointers will be gratefully received.

[Rob clarke]

Complete minefield , acceptable prices until you find the roof applications which are generally 3-400 % more, leaving me to suspect it's a cheaper solution re-labelled.
Lady calls for a small patio quote and explains she normally does it with a hose pipe,brush and the cheapest fabric softener she can buy and it takes all the green away .
Guess what?,fabric softener is a quat!

So it's lots of trial and error and possible waste of money or blindly trusting those  advertising hardest.Not found one explanation anywhere of products and comparison.

5 litres of algoclear pro at 87.72 plus 11.95 delivery. I am not sure I trust the dilution rates either.
I seek advice. The most expensive may well be the best but I currently have no idea so any help or pointers will be gratefully received.

I'm sat looking into all this myself today, where did you see the algoclear pro for sale? as I can't find it on their website only the normal algoclear for use by anyone.

Rob

[mop-n-scrim]

I know where your coming from!
I got confused as to what to buy.   

I wasn't keen on anything that would contain bleach, as a customer had a wall cleaned by a company & the bleach had stripped the garage door paint.

I ended up buying AlgoClear Pro and trialing it on a mates house, I had broken ribs when I did it about 10wk ago, & thought I would need to return to wash over again.
When I mentioned I would be calling later that week to give another go over, he sent me a picture showing it as all gone, saying no need.
I was there last week end & the walls looked liked they had been repainted. We are both more than impressed.
The result it has given me the confidence to be able to sell as an add on service.

So while I can't speak of having broad knowledge on the subject or chemicals, I can vouch for this particular treatment.

Still in a learning curve, esp when it comes to pricing in this area.

pic is before & just after treatment. No algae at all left after as it kills the root...

[chris scott]

Complete minefield , acceptable prices until you find the roof applications which are generally 3-400 % more, leaving me to suspect it's a cheaper solution re-labelled.
Lady calls for a small patio quote and explains she normally does it with a hose pipe,brush and the cheapest fabric softener she can buy and it takes all the green away .
Guess what?,fabric softener is a quat!

So it's lots of trial and error and possible waste of money or blindly trusting those  advertising hardest.Not found one explanation anywhere of products and comparison.

5 litres of algoclear pro at 87.72 plus 11.95 delivery. I am not sure I trust the dilution rates either.
I seek advice. The most expensive may well be the best but I currently have no idea so any help or pointers will be gratefully received.

I don't understand the question…

[Mike Halliday]

The problem could be we are a small (almost insignificant) industry, we don't spend enough money to create interest by any big chemical manufacturers. Why should they spend money on the R&D of soft wash chemicals that are cost effective and work when they won't sell much of it to make a worthwhile profit.

So we are left with adapting available chemicals to suit our needs, luckily we use a chemical that is widely used by a massive industry so it worth the investment for the big chemical companies to produce it.

Quats are widely used by other industries all we need to do is find who uses it & how much they use, because you can guarantee if they are using massive amounts then they will not be paying inflated prices (especially if it's the farming industry as they are penny-pinching misers)

I'm researching various farming chemicals to see if they can be used by us, I must admit it's just shot in the dark research but this chemical I find interesting..........

[Rob clarke]

The problem could be we are a small (almost insignificant) industry, we don't spend enough money to create interest by any big chemical manufacturers. Why should they spend money on the R&D of soft wash chemicals that are cost effective and work when they won't sell much of it to make a worthwhile profit.

So we are left with adapting available chemicals to suit our needs, luckily we use a chemical that is widely used by a massive industry so it worth the investment for the big chemical companies to produce it.

Quats are widely used by other industries all we need to do is find who uses it & how much they use, because you can guarantee if they are using massive amounts then they will not be paying inflated prices (especially if it's the farming industry as they are penny-pinching misers)

I'm researching various farming chemicals to see if they can be used by us, I must admit it's just shot in the dark research but this chemical I find interesting..........

Is that to replace hypo mike? Or to be used like a biocide?

[Nameless Drudge]

http://www.artificialgrasscambridge.co.uk/chemicals/algoclear-pro

Found algoclear pro to buy here.

[chris scott]

The problem could be we are a small (almost insignificant) industry, we don't spend enough money to create interest by any big chemical manufacturers. Why should they spend money on the R&D of soft wash chemicals that are cost effective and work when they won't sell much of it to make a worthwhile profit.

So we are left with adapting available chemicals to suit our needs, luckily we use a chemical that is widely used by a massive industry so it worth the investment for the big chemical companies to produce it.

Quats are widely used by other industries all we need to do is find who uses it & how much they use, because you can guarantee if they are using massive amounts then they will not be paying inflated prices (especially if it's the farming industry as they are penny-pinching misers)

I'm researching various farming chemicals to see if they can be used by us, I must admit it's just shot in the dark research but this chemical I find interesting..........

But it's use will be illegal ,your insurance may  be invalid and it may damage the (render) surface…. It's full of acid .
Kev Martin has a tried and tested,certified biocide that works well and is cheap enough.

[Mike Halliday]

Why??

I can predict you might say .....'using something for not it intended purpose' etc..etc..etc but why is this illegal?

I use washing up liquid for creating foam........ as its intended For washing dishes is this also illegal? Not  being flippant  I would be interested in the legalities of using chemicals for purposes than there intended design

[chris scott]

Bed time reading for you….. http://www.hse.gov.uk/biocides/eu-bpr/authorised-approved-biocides.htm

[Mike Halliday]

You edited your post while I was typing....

You are making an assuption on its performance and the  subsequent results,  like I said I'm just researching it's use, not using it on jobs.

It interesting and worth looking at.

Just seen you posted again while I was typing I will read that link

[chris scott]

If it ain't on here and your useing it as a biocide ….http://webcommunities.hse.gov.uk/connect.ti/pesticides/viewdatastore?dsid=2308&adv=S      your bottom might hurt whilst you are in jail.

[Mike Halliday]

Who said I was using it as a biocide? Perhaps the fact that it's not a biocide is what makes its interesting.

Why will my bottom hurt..... don't the chairs have cushions in prison?

The jails are full of people misusing biocides are they?? I thought it was all drug dealers & shoplifters

[chris scott]

What are you useing it for…your bleach and fairy liquid mix?

[chris scott]

What will be the intended use of the Fam 30 you are researching?
Are you useing it as a hair gell ?

[Mike Halliday]

Now I sense a hint of sarcasm in your posts

I could be clever with my answer and just tell you I was testing its use in an area of cleaning listed on the instructions...... which would blow your argument out of the water but that would not be conducive to this discussion

So I will be honest and say your are correct in your assuption that I'm looking at its application in a softwash role which might be illegal or not effective but what's the problem with a little bit of research at the very least it improves my knowledge of cleaning agents

[Rob clarke]

http://www.artificialgrasscambridge.co.uk/chemicals/algoclear-pro

Found algoclear pro to buy here.

Cheers  how come that seems so expensive compared to others like soft wash pro 50? I'm a newbie to soft washing as you can tell lol

[Nameless Drudge]

Complete minefield , acceptable prices until you find the roof applications which are generally 3-400 % more, leaving me to suspect it's a cheaper solution re-labelled.
Lady calls for a small patio quote and explains she normally does it with a hose pipe,brush and the cheapest fabric softener she can buy and it takes all the green away .
Guess what?,fabric softener is a quat!

So it's lots of trial and error and possible waste of money or blindly trusting those  advertising hardest.Not found one explanation anywhere of products and comparison.

5 litres of algoclear pro at 87.72 plus 11.95 delivery. I am not sure I trust the dilution rates either.
I seek advice. The most expensive may well be the best but I currently have no idea so any help or pointers will be gratefully received.

I don't understand the question…

One could say it is hidden in the plea for advice. I do note,however,that your contributions thus far to this thread are vacuous  in regard to an implied request by myself. Not  what I expected. I was going to call your mobile but desisted due to it being Sunday lest I interrupted your playtime .Though I now observe you are indeed spending that time here. I write tongue in cheek so lay down the advice Chris.

[Nameless Drudge]

http://www.artificialgrasscambridge.co.uk/chemicals/algoclear-pro

Found algoclear pro to buy here.

Cheers  how come that seems so expensive compared to others like soft wash pro 50? I'm a newbie to soft washing as you can tell lol

You would expect that it is down to solution strengths  so when diluted to recommended ratios the more expensive product is capable of making more.There are very few labels if at all on the products that allow comparison hence my initial post.

[Rob clarke]

The problem could be we are a small (almost insignificant) industry, we don't spend enough money to create interest by any big chemical manufacturers. Why should they spend money on the R&D of soft wash chemicals that are cost effective and work when they won't sell much of it to make a worthwhile profit.

So we are left with adapting available chemicals to suit our needs, luckily we use a chemical that is widely used by a massive industry so it worth the investment for the big chemical companies to produce it.

Quats are widely used by other industries all we need to do is find who uses it & how much they use, because you can guarantee if they are using massive amounts then they will not be paying inflated prices (especially if it's the farming industry as they are penny-pinching misers)

I'm researching various farming chemicals to see if they can be used by us, I must admit it's just shot in the dark research but this chemical I find interesting..........

But it's use will be illegal ,your insurance may  be invalid and it may damage the (render) surface…. It's full of acid .
Kev Martin has a tried and tested,certified biocide that works well and is cheap enough.

Hi Chris which biocide does kev martin sell? I've had a look on tiling logistics website but can't see it