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dazmond

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common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« on: April 22, 2016, 08:14:52 am »
1.when changing gas bottles make sure you spray the connection with soapy water every time(i use a spray bottle and turn the gas on)if you see bubbling then refit the connection until no bubbling occurs.(after turning the gas off obviously).

2.make sure your gas bottle is really secure in the van with no chance of tipping over.

3.put LPG stickers on the van(2 sides and back of van)

4. fit a flue or if not practical then leave the back door open to let fumes escape when working and fit heater just inside the door to be left open with at least a 12 inch gap at the top.

5.periodically check the gas connection going into the heater(spray bottle again)with it running.

6.buy a good heater(mines an eccotemp L10)from corwoods with heavy duty gas regulator.

7.get the DE right on your controller so it stops the pump shortly after turning water off at brush end.

8.depressurise your heater at the end of your working day by opening up your pole tap after turning off your pump and letting it drain out.

9.in colder weather unscrew the drain screw after doing the above and let it drain.

10.fit a carbon monoxide detector in the van(mines never gone off)

11.when fitting heater on plywood make sure you fit heat proof sheeting on the plywood first.

12.turn gas off when driving.

 ;D
price higher/work harder!

Scrimble

  • Posts: 2047
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2016, 08:26:50 am »
1. don't listen to a forum expert,

get it checked by a gas safe engineer (a professional who actually knows what there doing)

Tosh

  • Posts: 2964
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2016, 08:32:16 am »
Common sense includes adhering to what the law advises, even if you do think you know better or it doesn't apply to you.
*A HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE - THE SHORT STORY* 'Hydrogen is a light, odorless gas, which, given enough time, turns into people.'

jk999

  • Posts: 2091
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2016, 08:43:59 am »
Wow that sounds like to much work lol  ;D

the king

  • Posts: 1442
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2016, 10:41:08 am »
there are loads of window cleaners with gas heaters never hurd and one geting blowin up befor or gased lol, all tho u never no it could happen when the van gets struck buy lightning  ;D ive asked my inshorence if its ok to install it and i was told as long as its fixed to the van and gas bottol cant move or role about ect its fine and they also said i can fit it my self no need for a gas man to do it ::)roll

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1997
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2016, 11:41:45 am »
Scrimble ...... whats the law on carrying oxy/acetylene in a van ?

Most people i know that use it just chuck the unit in the back without securing it.
www.ishinewindowcleaning.co.uk

The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

slap bash

  • Posts: 1366
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2016, 11:53:41 am »
Bare in mind you will be putting your hoses under strain so make sure your hose and fitting are up to the extra pressure.

Dave Willis

Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2016, 12:07:32 pm »
I had a regulator leak once which filled the van with gas. I was ok though because I had three stickers on the van.

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1997
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2016, 01:00:51 pm »
I had a regulator leak once which filled the van with gas. I was ok though because I had three stickers on the van.

Im with you on the gas thing , it the insurance niggles that bother the most , i know im  sensible enough to use one safely but i think the insurance companies would use it to get out of paying .

The stickers are a good idea though because it warns attending emergency services if you have a crash / fire that they might want to be a bit careful .
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The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

Scrimble

  • Posts: 2047
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2016, 01:58:59 pm »
Scrimble ...... whats the law on carrying oxy/acetylene in a van ?

Most people i know that use it just chuck the unit in the back without securing it.

I am a window cleaner not a expert on law.

what I am saying is ignorance is not an excuse, if you install a gas appliance it needs to be checked by a gas safe engineer, not some inept forum expert or a bloke in the pub,

could you imagine the implications of what would happen if a van parked on the driveway of a customers house starts leaking gas from a set up dodgy dazmond has installed, then that gas leak igniting setting the van on fire?

I can guarantee you if anything happened with a gas set up and a  insurance company were to get involved the first thing they would ask for is paperwork on who installed the set up and checked that it was safe,

rah

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Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2016, 02:27:31 pm »
I agree with Scrimble,

When looking into hot, A-Plan were very clear, that it needed to be certified by a gas engineer.

Insurance legalized theft that they will refuse to pay if poss,
Life used to be full of up's and downs....now i hardly ever get up a ladder :) .

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1997
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2016, 02:49:36 pm »
I agree with Scrimble,

When looking into hot, A-Plan were very clear, that it needed to be certified by a gas engineer.

Insurance legalized theft that they will refuse to pay if poss,

I agree to an extent but what about the gas barbecue in your garden with the same bottle and regulator that could also leak ?

Does that have to be checked by a gas safe engineer?
www.ishinewindowcleaning.co.uk

The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

CasaDeCabra

  • Posts: 76
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2016, 02:54:15 pm »
I agree with Scrimble,

When looking into hot, A-Plan were very clear, that it needed to be certified by a gas engineer.

Insurance legalized theft that they will refuse to pay if poss,

I agree to an extent but what about the gas barbecue in your garden with the same bottle and regulator that could also leak ?

Does that have to be checked by a gas safe engineer?

Why? do you carry it with you each day  and cook up a couple of sausages at lunch time?

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1997
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2016, 04:25:03 pm »
No , what's your point ?
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The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

the king

  • Posts: 1442
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2016, 04:28:54 pm »
I agree with Scrimble,

When looking into hot, A-Plan were very clear, that it needed to be certified by a gas engineer.

Insurance legalized theft that they will refuse to pay if poss,
  thats not what Aplan said to me last week !

Dave Willis

Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2016, 05:03:49 pm »
I used to get my gas cylinders from the local canal boat shop. One of the fitters carried the cylinder out for me and nearly had a fit when he saw what I was using it for. I didn't ask what upset him but it kind of left me feeling a bit guilty.

I just don't like the idea of carrying a potential bomb about anymore. I used to swing the other way so to speak and even installed a flue through the roof.

Perfect Windows

  • Posts: 4179
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2016, 05:19:30 pm »
I agree with Scrimble,

When looking into hot, A-Plan were very clear, that it needed to be certified by a gas engineer.

Insurance legalized theft that they will refuse to pay if poss,

I agree to an extent but what about the gas barbecue in your garden with the same bottle and regulator that could also leak ?

Does that have to be checked by a gas safe engineer?

A moment's non-expert thought would suggest that a leaking regulator on a barbecue on a patio might be less of a risk than a leaking regulator on a gas tank in the confines of a van.  One of the leaks may well lead to an explosive mix, the other almost certainly won't.

Vin

Tosh

  • Posts: 2964
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2016, 05:46:14 pm »
No , what's your point ?

There are differing laws in this country regarding gas stored under pressure dependant on the places it is kept. For good reason. You can travel down the road in your car towing a caravan with gas stored in the gas box at the front of the caravan but if it is kept in the back of a van different laws apply. You can question why as long as you like, it makes no difference, the laws are there, end of.
*A HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE - THE SHORT STORY* 'Hydrogen is a light, odorless gas, which, given enough time, turns into people.'

Scrimble

  • Posts: 2047
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2016, 06:15:16 pm »
I agree with Scrimble,

When looking into hot, A-Plan were very clear, that it needed to be certified by a gas engineer.

Insurance legalized theft that they will refuse to pay if poss,

I agree to an extent but what about the gas barbecue in your garden with the same bottle and regulator that could also leak ?

Does that have to be checked by a gas safe engineer?

the gas bbq has not been installed inside a vehicle!


robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1997
Re: common sense when using a gas heater for WFP(12 steps)
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2016, 06:35:30 pm »
That's true but I have been caught in explosion at a shed fire that knocked me flying , the fire they think was started by the gas barbecue being put away on the shed while still hot .

I actually agree with you about cheap Chinese gas heaters in a van , I won't have one unless somebody starts selling a purpose designed and fitted unit for a reasonable price .
www.ishinewindowcleaning.co.uk

The man who never made a mistake never made anything.