[alex hynds]

Hi guys
We started a big victorian tile clean this weekend  (well big for us anyway, 110sqm).
The clean has gone well and have come up really well.  Had a few issues as the tiles were just soaking all our solutions up within minutes coupled with the heat in the building meant we had virtually no dwell time but they have cleaned up really well. 
The only issue we got is that efflorescence has reared it's head in quite a few places. 
We are planning on sealing next weekend but what's our next step regarding the efflorescence.
Many thanks

Ps we will get some before and afters on next week

[Kev Martin]

Hi guys
We started a big victorian tile clean this weekend  (well big for us anyway, 110sqm).
The clean has gone well and have come up really well.  Had a few issues as the tiles were just soaking all our solutions up within minutes coupled with the heat in the building meant we had virtually no dwell time but they have cleaned up really well. 
The only issue we got is that efflorescence has reared it's head in quite a few places. 
We are planning on sealing next weekend but what's our next step regarding the efflorescence.
Many thanks

Ps we will get some before and afters on next week

Alex

Call me direct on 07770598855 and I will tell you how to sort this.  I am in Germany this week at BAUMA but just call me as normal

Kev

[Tadgh O Shea]

Hi guys
We started a big victorian tile clean this weekend  (well big for us anyway, 110sqm).
The clean has gone well and have come up really well.  Had a few issues as the tiles were just soaking all our solutions up within minutes coupled with the heat in the building meant we had virtually no dwell time but they have cleaned up really well. 
The only issue we got is that efflorescence has reared it's head in quite a few places. 
We are planning on sealing next weekend but what's our next step regarding the efflorescence.
Many thanks

Ps we will get some before and afters on next week

Hi Alex, Just to ask what type of cleaning solution and pads did ye use to deep clean the tiles.

[Kev Martin]

Alex

 I assume this is the big one you sent me the photos of is it?  If so like I said ring me Monday what you used has no bearing on Efflorescence !  Look back in your course notes

Kev

[Tadgh O Shea]

Kevin, Alex started his post with high Guys, i know you like to think you are the controller general on this section of CIU, are you now also trying to control what replies individual members can or cannot post on this section. A bit ridiculous really don't you think. Tadgh

[Kev Martin]

Alex

When you call me tomorrow I will explain what has caused the efflorescence  and how to get rid of it!  It is very common with Victorian & Edwardian Floors

Kev

[alex hynds]

Thanks for the replies.  Will do kev.  I think I've an idea what has caused the efflorescence.  (probably wrong though).  Just hoping we can put it right as it's looking great (efflorescence aside)  and we can't wait to get it sealed.  After consulting our client we have decided on seal and enhance.  It's now looking likely that they want the floor waxing so maybe more work.  We've also been asked to provide quotes for a external wall tile clean as well as full external softwash.  Hopefully be getting them onside for a very tidy maintenance package. It's a beautiful grade 2 listed building with a lot of famous history.  The heritage brigade are watching closely.  So we want it right. 

[maxcampbell]

Tadgh

I find your constant sniping at Kevin really annoying. I can't see how anyone but you could interpret his comments as being trying to control anything. If it wasn't for Kevin trying to stop another spat from you he wouldn't have wanted to keep communication with Alex private, and we could all have learned something about efflorescence. I wish you'd just find something else to do - why not go & step over a few mops.

[Dan Wileman]

Chill out Tadgh!

Alex, sounds an awesome job - look forward to seeing some pics!

[Tadgh O Shea]

Tadgh

I find your constant sniping at Kevin really annoying. I can't see how anyone but you could interpret his comments as being trying to control anything. If it wasn't for Kevin trying to stop another spat from you he wouldn't have wanted to keep communication with Alex private, and we could all have learned something about efflorescence. I wish you'd just find something else to do - why not go & step over a few mops.

Max i have no problem in admitting that Kevin gives out some very good advice and is very helpful to guys on this section, thats not to say some of his advice i would always agree with and if i think its poor or the wrong advice to be giving out i am also happy to share why i think so, after all is that not what forums are meant for to learn from each others experience and knowledge. I asked Alex a simple question as to what cleaning solution and pads he had used to deep clean the tiles, if he had choose to answer i could of maybe helped him out in finding a solution to his problem. the rest i will leave up to yourself.  Tadgh

[alex hynds]

Thanks Dan.  It's going well and impressions from the customer is they're delighted.  I think I know what caused the problem of efflorescence but we haven't panicked and the customer is happy with our way forward.  I had every intention of speaking to Kevin Monday anyway.  I simply posted on here to try and get some discussion going.  Problem being it always ends the same way.  I haven't posted much on this forum or any other to be fair but I am pretty good at gleaning good sound information from forums but this section has died on its arse.  Shame really as it's us new guys that suffer.  Speak tomorrow Kevin.  Thanks everyone

[alex hynds]

Tadge
We have used a alkaline cleaner.  We have used it many times before without problem and the efflorescence is limited to patches over 110sqm.  Like I said I'm not panicking as I'm confident we can put it right.  I'm not really interested in a my products are better than yours from anyone really.

[maxcampbell]

Tadgh

You were just looking for an opportunity to argue against high alkaline cleansers, and you know it. You, personally, are spoiling this forum - you are causing people to take communication private. I really mean it - go away.

If moderators pick this up, I hope they do something.

I've no axe to grind here, just a forum user.

In my experience, efflorescence is to be expected, especially if you get a porous floor wet in cleaning, is easily dealt with by wiping around with an acid, is not associated with the chemistry of the cleaning product (oh God, I've probably given Tadgh a reason to reply), and any remains will disappear when using an enhancing sealer.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Tadge
We have used a alkaline cleaner.  We have used it many times before without problem and the efflorescence is limited to patches over 110sqm.  Like I said I'm not panicking as I'm confident we can put it right.  I'm not really interested in a my products are better than yours from anyone really.

I would think now Alex you have the wrong end of the stick there, it was never going to be about which product is better but we will leave that aside. For your information and others if you want to go back and read all the spats both myself and Kevin have had were only ever about one topic
Using high alkaline cleaning chemicals based on sodium hydroxide when deep cleaning Altro safety flooring, now just like you Alex as a newbie same as i was over 34 years ago my go to product for many years when deep cleaning hard floors were high alkaline based cleaning chemicals.
It took me many years to finally realize what was causing the yellow staining on the Altro safety floors that i was cleaning for my clients. i eventually after many years came to the realization that the stronger high alkaline cleaning chemicals especially the ones based on sodium hydroxide were the culprits.
I don't know Alex if you are aware or not that sodium hydroxide is indeed a very corrosive ingredient that is used in many cleaning chemicals and leads to detrimental damage to many different types of surfaces from its continuous use. Now this spat between myself and Kevin all started when another newbie just like you looked for advice on the best solution for deep cleaning an Altro safety floor which he had taken on.
So now to ask you Alex when a member on this section and i think you know who i am talking about recommends that this newbie uses a high alkaline chemical based on sodium hydroxide to clean his clients Altro safety flooring did i do the right thing or the wrong thing when i suggested to him the reasons why he should not use a cleaning product based on sodium hydroxide when cleaning his clients safety floor.
Just to share again once the damage is done to safety flooring from using sodium hydroxide based cleaning chemicals there ain't  no coming back to putting it right.
As a member of this forum i am always happy to share my knowledge and experience in the hope that it may be of benefit to others especially new guys in helping them not to make some of the many mistakes which i made over the years.  Just to add i am not saying that you can't or should not use high alkaline based cleaners on all hard floors but the ongoing spat myself and Kevin have was to do specifically with Altro safety flooring.  Tadgh

[maxcampbell]

Tadgh

You just attacked Kevin - by accusing him a "trying to control" - on a thread to do with victorian tiles, not safety flooring.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Tadgh

You just attacked Kevin - by accusing him a "trying to control" - on a thread to do with victorian tiles, not safety flooring.

Max, see it your way if you want and as you know full well this ongoing spat between myself and Kevin has to do with using sodium hydroxide based cleaners on safety flooring, if i was not 100% certain of this fact i would not continue with the spat and i have given Kevin plenty of opportunities to maybe just agree that i may be right on this one, but of course i understand why its hard for some people to admit that maybe they just might be wrong sometimes. You say the mods might take notice of this Max, i have no problem whatsoever if the mods on this forum want to ban me for speaking out on the truth that sodium hydroxide based cleaning chemicals should not be used and especially the methods that Kevin recommended for their use when deep cleaning Altro flooring.  Tadgh

[maxcampbell]

Tadhg

So you're spoiling a whole forum because you want someone to admit, in effect, that your product is the best thing for cleaning Altro. Most people on here don't give a MODDED FOR LANGUAGE about Altro. If you don't stop hi-jacking other threads to pursue your agenda you should be banned, and I have complained to the mods.

[AuRavelling79]

MOD NOTE:

1. In general terms it is better to answer questions raised by CIU members on the forum for all to read.
Understandably there may be a rare, complicated and urgent situation where someone is pressed for time and a phone call might help. But if that were the case then the person needing assistance would have likely phoned someone in the first place.

2. It is difficult without knowing the back history and reading through a long list of a person's posts to ascertain whether the problem is a poster with an agenda or axe to grind; whether the problem is someone who is largely here to promote his/her business interests feeling thwarted or whether the matter is simply a truly held difference of opinion that has escalated. Time will tell.

No doubt Forum Admin will keep a weather eye but unless there is a clear trend of reported posts from folk with no obvious agenda against a poster then maybe we can just be the bigger person and "let it go"? 
 
3. Bad Language (with or without asterisks) - the forum rules are clear and when a post is flagged or noticed it will be dealt with. However moderators don't go looking for "bad language" posts but will act if notified or the post is seen by them in the course of being on the forum.

[SteveAllan]

Outstanding posts from Max, couldn't agree more.

[AuRavelling79]

Outstanding post from Max, couldn't agree more.

Which one?