[tony day]

In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year! 

[SeanK]

Your 6 days late.

[tony day]

Your 6 days late.

Jesus! You can count.

[SeanK]

Your 6 days late.

Jesus! You can count.

Only to my fingers run out and even I wouldn't fall for a parts per billion machine.

[TomSE]

How can the water your using whether it 0ppm or 0ppb possibly make any difference to how quick you clean?

If someone supplied me water that was 50ppm I'd be done in the same time as 0ppm, the only difference would be in the state it dries in.

For 0ppb to make any difference you are suggesting that the water we put on the window miraculously dissolves dirt in seconds (and of course 0ppb even quicker) when in actual fact the benefit of pure water is that it will dry clear... not that it will somehow clean & dissolve dirt instantaneously.

I may be wrong but I thought that the benefit of pure water is just that we can agitate and loosen dirt with our brush, aided by water and because it has had any impurities removed we don't have the trouble of also drying the window after?

Tom

[tony day]

How can the water your using whether it 0ppm or 0ppb possibly make any difference to how quick you clean?

If someone supplied me water that was 50ppm I'd be done in the same time as 0ppm, the only difference would be in the state it dries in.

For 0ppb to make any difference you are suggesting that the water we put on the window miraculously dissolves dirt in seconds (and of course 0ppb even quicker) when in actual fact the benefit of pure water is that it will dry clear... not that it will somehow clean & dissolve dirt instantaneously.

I may be wrong but I thought that the benefit of pure water is just that we can agitate and loosen dirt with our brush, aided by water and because it has had any impurities removed we don't have the trouble of also drying the window after?

Tom

Your not a forward thinking window cleaner are you Tom....! You just carry on with your 0ppm.

[SeanK]

How can the water your using whether it 0ppm or 0ppb possibly make any difference to how quick you clean?

If someone supplied me water that was 50ppm I'd be done in the same time as 0ppm, the only difference would be in the state it dries in.

For 0ppb to make any difference you are suggesting that the water we put on the window miraculously dissolves dirt in seconds (and of course 0ppb even quicker) when in actual fact the benefit of pure water is that it will dry clear... not that it will somehow clean & dissolve dirt instantaneously.

I may be wrong but I thought that the benefit of pure water is just that we can agitate and loosen dirt with our brush, aided by water and because it has had any impurities removed we don't have the trouble of also drying the window after?

Tom

Your spot on Tom, pure water cleans no better than tap water it just doesn't dry with anything we can see with the naked eye
left on the glass.
Filtering it further will have no benefit, back in the day when using purified water to clean window was starting to become
popular some of the sellers would say things like it cleaned better as a selling point, we all know now that it doesn't.

[TomSE]

I just use whatever actually convinces me it would improve efficiency & improve business etc.

I like the look of the waterworks reels, hot water etc and plenty of other things that show it would help.

And if given the choice of 0ppb or 0ppm with no extra cost then of course I'd opt for ppb. Or if I had money burning a hole in my pocket I'd go for it to, I'm not saying it isn't more pure... just that I can't see it saving an hour a day.

How did it manage to knock an hour off Tony? (Genuinely I'm not being funny)

Do you think it would save you time on regular maintenance work?

Tom

[Smudger]

In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year! 

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[TomSE]

...It's just dawned on me that this is a wind up 

[Dave Willis]

Still not as fast as Vision when it came out!

[NWH]

Seriously does it make a difference I might look into it.

[windowswashed]

I'm open minded. I can see the benefits of using hot water over cold. So what's the noticeable difference using PPB over PPM water???

[NWH]

I would like to know from someone that owns one.

[Tosh]

So far as window cleaning is concerned there is NO difference at all. Its a great marketing ploy by Ionics but thats it. The difference in cleanliness of the windows cannot be detected.

[Tosh]

Nath Jones explained it well.

My tap water is around 300ppm and my static tank is 1000 litres (1 million millilitres) - so an unfiltered tank must contain 300ml of dissolved solids.

For the sake of math, lets say my system isn't running as it should, and is pumping water out at 1ppm,.. only removing 299ml of dissolved solids,... what would it take to get my water from 1ppm down to 1ppb???

At the very most,.. if the parts per billion system worked perfectly and removed every trace from the water, the best it could do is remove the final 1ml of dissolved solids,.. meaning that its best possible performance produces water only 0.333% purer than a standard system.

PPB is marketing bull - plain & simple. If you think it works better for you, you're simply walking proof of the placebo effect.

Same equation but explained slightly differently
1000 litres of water at 300ppm is an easy calculation. 1000 litres is actually 1million millilitres/grams, so to reduce this to 1 ppm requires the removal of 299 grams of dissolved solids. Simples.

So - I now have 999.701 litres of water reading 001ppm (or 1000 parts per billion) so divide 999.701 by a billion parts & multiply the result by 1000 parts of impurities and you get a result of 0.000999701 litres or 0.999701 grams

So my ppm system removes 299 grams of dissolved solids - the Ionics ppb system removes just under an additional 1gram.

[NWH]

I hear that but like a few things hot is definitely better than cold etc I would like to see someone give an honest opinion,I've spoken to June at gaps water and she said it's not visible to the human eye when you use nuclear resin she advised me to buy normal resin,she said don't waste your money it was £200 a sack.

[windowswashed]

Using hot water is like spreading treacle on the glass and it's running down the glass a lot quicker (brush on) than cold water, also it dissolves stubborn dirt with less effort which speeds up jobs. Does using cold PPB work similar to using hot water?

[NWH]

The thing is we know hot does work better than cold the difference is there to see with your eyes the way it cleans the frames better cladding etc,I'm up for anything that improves the way I work I'm not saying PPB does work I'd like to hear a post from someone that's got one though.

[AuRavelling79]

In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year! 

Yawn. It's Tony the Troll. Read his backposts people ...