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SeanK

Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2016, 11:21:38 pm »
The thing is we know hot does work better than cold the difference is there to see with your eyes the way it cleans the frames better cladding etc,I'm up for anything that improves the way I work I'm not saying PPB does work I'd like to hear a post from someone that's got one though.

The thing is with wfp we see lots of things that are all in our own heads, every time I go out with a new batch of resin
I see the water cleaning better and quicker, if I was to go by what I see I would be wasting resin and money as its all in my head.
Its the same with hot some will tell you it cleans better and others will tell you it makes no difference other than to make the
job more comfortable, so for me even if there is an improvement it cant be that much if it divides opinions.
I would say if you where to fall for the hype and invest all that cash in a ppb system you would see an improvement if it was
there or not.



windowswashed

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2016, 11:48:53 pm »
It would be easy and cheap enough to test a  PPB system as all you would need to do is add a PPB filter with  the resin in to your PPM zero tds water from van tank water supply  before it goes through the hosereel anyway so no big expense.
I have an ionics tank but use my own di filters as it's much cheaper to replace resin but not as quick and convenient. Used the colour change filters in the past, the di would lose it's colouring so noticeable to see when DI resin was being used up, cheaper alternative and more reliable is simply to test water quality with a TDS meter. You can tell when DI resin is losing it's goodness as the water goes through the di  vessels quicker as it creates channels and it takes longer to break down heavy deposits or stubborn marks on glass so who needs a tds other than to confirm tds starting to creep up.

rosskesava

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2016, 12:47:46 am »
In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year!  :o

Crossover? Game changer?

Just by using those two phrases means what follows is akin to saying a fart in a hurricane has value.





Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.

tony day

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2016, 09:48:19 am »
In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year!  :o

Yawn. It's Tony the Troll. Read his backposts people ...
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tony day

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2016, 09:56:16 am »
In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year!  :o

Yawn. It's Tony the Troll. Read his backposts people ...
[/quote I can't believe that someone thought Granville was a good name to call a child! :o

NWH

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2016, 10:03:54 am »
I was going to put a thread up talking about better water quality after a resin change even though the existing water is say only 001,I personally don't think it's in your head I can tell straight after a change it definitely cleans better and it's noticeable IMO

Tosh

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2016, 10:09:08 am »
Could you elaborate please.
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tony day

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2016, 12:05:22 pm »
Could you elaborate please.
We can have a tug of war on this topic. But the only way that you non forward window cleaners need to do is try it. As Mawlam said "proof is in the pudding"

NWH

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2016, 01:58:19 pm »
When I change my resin I can see a difference in the way the water acts on the glass and how they dry the water actually looks cleaner is you can see the change. As some have said it could be all in the mind though it has caught my attention a number of times,this is why I'm interested in this PPB system as it filters it through Nuclear resin after the water is at 000PPM. There must be someone that has this system does anyone know how much the Thermopure version of this is.

8weekly

Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2016, 03:25:42 pm »
I was going to put a thread up talking about better water quality after a resin change even though the existing water is say only 001,I personally don't think it's in your head I can tell straight after a change it definitely cleans better and it's noticeable IMO


When I change my resin I can see a difference in the way the water acts on the glass and how they dry the water actually looks cleaner is you can see the change. As some have said it could be all in the mind though...

Make up your mind. You are funny NWH.  ;D

NWH

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2016, 04:38:29 pm »
Lol I'm sorry what I wanted to say was when I change my resin I can see it's made a difference even if the old resin was producing 001,it's not in my head I've noticed it lots of times. I'm thinking is this new system gonna keep the water like this all the time as it does seem to clean better. The thing that got me sceptical about it was the fact that on the ionic video I watched the rep said he didn't have a PPB TDS meter. 

Dave Willis

Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2016, 05:20:01 pm »
That's because you have to use a Geigercounter.

Tosh

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2016, 05:36:49 pm »
I was going to put a thread up talking about better water quality after a resin change even though the existing water is say only 001,I personally don't think it's in your head I can tell straight after a change it definitely cleans better and it's noticeable IMO


When I change my resin I can see a difference in the way the water acts on the glass and how they dry the water actually looks cleaner is you can see the change. As some have said it could be all in the mind though...

Make up your mind. You are funny NWH.  ;D

You have a habit of confusing funny with stupid.  8)
*A HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE - THE SHORT STORY* 'Hydrogen is a light, odorless gas, which, given enough time, turns into people.'

nathankaye

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2016, 05:59:39 pm »
There are different levels of pure water which we use. We refer to is as pure water, but its also referred to as ultra pure water and im sure most on here if not all on here know that ultra pure water is used in various ways, ours is to clean windows and not have to dry them because they dry clear as far as our eye sight is concerned. However dig a little deeper and its more than that. Also dependant upon its usuage their are different clarities of ultra pure water. Why does water clean so well and break down dirt and deposits on the window?? Why does hot water disolve more dirt easily??  Yes at end of day, simply because it does is good enough reason for most to just use it! However dig a little deeper and understand why, such as it being extremely hypotonic for instance.
I looked into it a short while ago, for the reason of the strength of this stuff that we splash around and could it do damage to the seals etc. It was educational, but alot of information to take in as regards to my reason why. Concluded that guys have been doing for a while and no legal cases or causes been brought forward.
On those points I would assume that total parts per billion have a faster, more aggressive dissolvent rate than that of parts per million.  However does that translate to an increased clean time per window for the actual length of time we spend per window. I wouldnt have thought so, to the extreme thats mention on this thread. But then I dont use ppm and so could be completely wrong and be interested to see it at work
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8weekly

Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2016, 06:10:42 pm »
I was going to put a thread up talking about better water quality after a resin change even though the existing water is say only 001,I personally don't think it's in your head I can tell straight after a change it definitely cleans better and it's noticeable IMO


When I change my resin I can see a difference in the way the water acts on the glass and how they dry the water actually looks cleaner is you can see the change. As some have said it could be all in the mind though...

Make up your mind. You are funny NWH.  ;D

You have a habit of confusing funny with stupid.  8)
Ginger beer spat.

NWH

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2016, 06:29:49 pm »
How much is that machine 650ltr

NWH

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2016, 06:30:22 pm »
Ginger beer yeah lol 🍾🍾🍾🍷🍷🍷🍼🍼🍼

Tosh

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2016, 06:30:48 pm »
I was going to put a thread up talking about better water quality after a resin change even though the existing water is say only 001,I personally don't think it's in your head I can tell straight after a change it definitely cleans better and it's noticeable IMO


When I change my resin I can see a difference in the way the water acts on the glass and how they dry the water actually looks cleaner is you can see the change. As some have said it could be all in the mind though...

Make up your mind. You are funny NWH.  ;D

You have a habit of confusing funny with stupid.  8)
Ginger beer spat.

 ;D

Oi loikes my ginger beer too.
*A HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE - THE SHORT STORY* 'Hydrogen is a light, odorless gas, which, given enough time, turns into people.'

SeanK

Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2016, 08:02:58 pm »
There are different levels of pure water which we use. We refer to is as pure water, but its also referred to as ultra pure water and im sure most on here if not all on here know that ultra pure water is used in various ways, ours is to clean windows and not have to dry them because they dry clear as far as our eye sight is concerned. However dig a little deeper and its more than that. Also dependant upon its usuage their are different clarities of ultra pure water. Why does water clean so well and break down dirt and deposits on the window?? Why does hot water disolve more dirt easily??  Yes at end of day, simply because it does is good enough reason for most to just use it! However dig a little deeper and understand why, such as it being extremely hypotonic for instance.
I looked into it a short while ago, for the reason of the strength of this stuff that we splash around and could it do damage to the seals etc. It was educational, but alot of information to take in as regards to my reason why. Concluded that guys have been doing for a while and no legal cases or causes been brought forward.
On those points I would assume that total parts per billion have a faster, more aggressive dissolvent rate than that of parts per million.  However does that translate to an increased clean time per window for the actual length of time we spend per window. I wouldnt have thought so, to the extreme thats mention on this thread. But then I dont use ppm and so could be completely wrong and be interested to see it at work

The thing is Nathan its only going to be somebodies opinion, some think hot cleans better others don't, some think adding a
small amount of a cleaning solution to your water improves it others don't.
I see the exact same as NWH when I change my resin it seems to clean better and quicker but I honestly couldn't tell if its
down to me looking more closely at the clean and seeing things that I wouldn't be looking for if the resin was older.
The mistake your making is thinking that we clean the dirt of the glass by dissolving it in water, that's not the case we loosen the
dirt and use the water to rinse/push it off the glass dissolving it has very little to do with the process.
Fill a bucket with pure throw in a pile of dirt stir it and let it sit, you will find that most of it will sink to the bottom and never
get dissolved, it will only be certain things within that dirt such as salts that will become dissolved solids and raise the tds.

AuRavelling79

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Re: The Crossover.
« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2016, 08:19:18 pm »
In every trade there comes a crossover or a game changer. Today i cleaned a 18th century Georgian mansion (once a year job) with zero parts per billion. Like most i was very sceptical about the whole concept. And today it put my doubts to bed. It knocked an hour off the job. Not just time ,but speed,effortless, and the standard is top class. Seriously guys it's another grade. Imagine if i was using hot water at zero parts per billion.....! I could retire next year!  :o

Yawn. It's Tony the Troll. Read his backposts people ...

[/quote
 I can't believe that someone thought Granville was a good name to call a child! :o

In "Open All Hours" Arkwright's sister and brother-in-law d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-did.

I don't know  why anyone's parents would name their child after body parts but Toe Knee or 'And Toe Knee seem quite popular.
It's a game of three halves!