[H MAN]

As you can see how versatile this swivel is in video below.
Have also made a different type as well with the same angle on it.
But why are manufactures not putting this very slight angle on there connections.
Watching the ones that go side to side on wf brushes seems very restrictive in movement.
DIY Swivel with ground level WFP brush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NIciDQL53eA#t=3

THIS IS THE BRUSH BEING USED

THE SWIVEL SEE SLIGHT ANGLE.

HERE  IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WORKS THE SAME WAY ALSO HAS THAT ANGLE.

[Smurf]

Sorry you lost me on that one  H Man
I use this type so what is different to yours?
http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/goosenecks-pole-fittings/plastic-gooseneck-system/screw-on-type2-angle-adapter-gooseneck-with-swivel-brush-socket-long-length.html

[H MAN]

Sorry you lost me on that one  H Man
I use this type so what is different to yours?
http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/goosenecks-pole-fittings/plastic-gooseneck-system/screw-on-type2-angle-adapter-gooseneck-with-swivel-brush-socket-long-length.html

So the Gardiner has this type of swivel take note it is attached 90% on the brush as below.


BUT IN BOTH THESE PICTURES YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY HAVE A SLIGHT ANGLE.
WHICH GIVES FREER MOVEMENT OF THE BRUSH.

[Spruce]

Sorry you lost me on that one  H Man
I use this type so what is different to yours?
http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/goosenecks-pole-fittings/plastic-gooseneck-system/screw-on-type2-angle-adapter-gooseneck-with-swivel-brush-socket-long-length.html

So the Gardiner has this type of swivel take note it is attached 90% on the brush as below.


BUT IN BOTH THESE PICTURES YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY HAVE A SLIGHT ANGLE.
WHICH GIVES FREER MOVEMENT OF THE BRUSH.

Exactly, that's what we were talking about on another thread a couple of weeks back.

[ChumBucket]

Yep,  a swivel with an angle works much better.

[H MAN]

So now suppose some one will say did I say anything to a manufacture answer yes.
Seems to be the go to just have side to side action swivels as at least 4 manufactures done already.

So it is nothing new.
Have to  laugh one has already said that they developed the side to side action and nothing like it.
But we know different
While think of it here is another swivel we did using angle aluminium.
MADE THIS FROM ALUMINIUM ANGLE

[Dave Willis]

Gardiners one is simpler, lighter and cheap as chips. I don't find the angle a problem. The Gardiners one is on an adjustable angle adapter anyway.

[Dave Willis]

Side to side movement is restricted a bit by the pole hose and the pipes to the jets anyway.
I suppose you want to claim prior art on this one too?

The only improvement on the Gardiners swivel would be a quick way of locking it but it's not a problem to me. If the angle is that much of a problem you can use the screw in type swivel with a 45 degree socket.

[H MAN]

Side to side movement is restricted a bit by the pole hose and the pipes to the jets anyway.
I suppose you want to claim prior art on this one too?

The only improvement on the Gardiners swivel would be a quick way of locking it but it's not a problem to me.

No that got nothing to do with prior art.
Locking why when you have that, with a very slight angle having it this way you have complete control .
Here is an video we done showing how easy it is to use.
Just twisting it.
NEW TYPE SWIVEL WATER FED BRUSH IN ACTION.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKBUP3bY86s

[Dave Willis]

You might want to lock it because a swivel is not needed on finials or guttering. My Gardiners swivels do everything yours does even with a ninety degree swivel point.

[H MAN]

You might want to lock it because a swivel is not needed on finials or guttering. My Gardiners swivels do everything yours does even with a ninety degree swivel point.

Glad you brought that up Dave;
Start this video at the 30 second mark it shows how easy it is to use for scrubbing as you will see.
Nothing is locked in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wBdkgrYdsI

[H MAN]

Anyway should not be a problem to modify the existing swivel the Angle.
And file the under side of the connection.
Then you good to go.
 

[Smurf]

Like you say a good swivel on a wfp pole makes working so much easier.
I also often use that Gardiner swivel with the brush swivelled long ways. Meaning in line with the pole to scrub conservatory frames etc.

H Man I still did not get what you were on about though regards to an angle.

[H MAN]

Like you say a good swivel on a wfp pole makes working so much easier.
I also often use that Gardiner swivel with the brush swivelled long ways. Meaning in line with the pole to scrub conservatory frames etc.

H Man I still did not get what you were on about though regards to an angle.

Suppose the only way you work that out is ether try someone that has it sure you would notice the different.
Or do a DIY of the one that have shown.
That is only way you will get it.
Think there was some one on here that  said

Yep,  a swivel with an angle works much better.

He gets it maybe he might explain a bit better then I can.

[ChumBucket]

Hman is correct regarding Swivel angles. Anyone who can remember the Mkl Gaz Swivel should be able to remember just how good it was.  Not the brush as that was pants but the Swivel was angled from the pivot meaning much more and better angles achieved for less input from the user. Too much emphasis has been put on the distance between pivot and brush stock when the real issue has always been the lack of any angle on all available swivels. Anyone who was to use the two side by side would immediately recognise the difference.

[M & C Window Cleaning]

I've never used a swivel but want to give it a try, so I am reading this thread with interest. Thank you H MAN

Ordered some parts from Gardiner a few days ago but haven't yet put them to use. The part pictured earlier in this thread is one of those parts. Could what you're suggesting about brush/swivel angle be accomplished with a wedge under the top part of the swivel that attaches to the brush?

Hopefully I'll be giving this a try early next week

[Dave Willis]

Don't complicate it - there's no need the Gardiners swivel is fine.

By the way I've got a box full of these - rubbish really but worked ok in their day.

[Dave Willis]

Gardiners swivel in action - what's wrong with this?

[ChumBucket]

Don't complicate it - there's no need the Gardiners swivel is fine.

By the way I've got a box full of these - rubbish really but worked ok in their day.

Ha harr, I've still got a couple of those. They were the MKII swivels.

Don't get me wrong, 90 degree swivels work fine but angled one work considerably better but it's difficult to explain why until the user has experienced one. 90 degree ones are restricted compared to angled versions.

[ChumBucket]

Gardiners swivel in action - what's wrong with this?

If the pivot was angled you would have to move much less to achieve the same. Much less body movement is required from an angled swivel- we've just got so used to 90 degree ones that it's difficult to imagine the degree of difference a proper, angled swivel makes- don't ask me about the physics/mathematics behind it however but it is fact.  Similar with 90 degree brush sockets, 45 degree ones are SO much better in every aspect- there is nothing a 90 degree socket does better than a 45 one IMO they have just been accepted.