[Tosh]

Not true. They can be just as tight with their money.



If its a bottle of wine to them why don't you charge for those conservatory roofs you do, they'll only be the olives that are part of the starter.

Because I'm charging the right money in the first place so I can afford to throw in the odd few panes of glass,do you think I'd be doing that if I was pricing jobs like that at £150 that's just ridiculous,if you seriously think that's a £150 job If I was you I would be looking at changing things where pricing is concerned because in any part of the country that job is worth a lot more.It cost the bloke there more for 1 tyre on his Bentley lol.

You're weird. Where did I say it was a £150.00 job.

[Smurf]

A professional commercial window cleaning company with overheads to pay for staff, office, vans etc. would be in around £550 to £650 per clean depending on frequency.

Can I ask what makes you 'professional'?
Does the fact that you have an office and staff mean you clean Windows better then everyone else?
So in effect you have the right to charge more?

I have a nice van, quality equipment, always in uniform, proper receipts upon completion of work and always do a very good job.
Am I not 'professional' because I don't have an office and staff?

I don't have an office or staff but still would not want to do that job for a silly low price.
Why should I when I can make more net profit and a lot less work than say cleaning windows on 4 detached smallish houses in a row. 

[Tosh]

'Professionalism' is also about attitude as well as all those add-ons mentioned. Things you can't necessarily buy.

[8weekly]

The other way to look at it is that it will be 4/5 hours non stop work with a lot of water used compared with 4/5 hours with breaks between houses and considerably less water used. 4/5 hours on that job is probably equivalent to 6/7 hours on regular work in terms of physical effort.

[chris turner]

'Professionalism' is also about attitude as well as all those add-ons mentioned. Things you can't necessarily buy.

I'm sure most window cleaners on here who have successfully built a business that involves regular paying customers have the 'right' attitude.
Wouldnt you agree?

[Stoots]

Assuming its 4 hours work with an hour travel, 5 hours total

whats wrong with £150 ?

explain

[Dave Willis]

Ah, the penny has dropped. 8 weekly didn't get the job because they are mega rich, drink £170 bottles of wine and he simply didn't charge enough.
Therefore he looked so cheap and nasty that they stuck with their normal cleaners.

[NWH]

Assuming its 4 hours work with an hour travel, 5 hours total

whats wrong with £150 ?

explain

i suppose if your working for another window cleaner and he's paying you £150 for you doing it then there's nothing wrong with it,but he will be getting £500 + lol. My point is if you do jobs like that for that silly amount you'll make little profit so if the van goes wrong you need new poles it snows for 2 weeks and you can't work you'll be happy with that then will you.  Wouldn't it be better to get a very good daily rate and then have the £150 as the profit that job might only be 3 monthly.

[Smurf]

Assuming its 4 hours work with an hour travel, 5 hours total

whats wrong with £150 ?

explain

I thought I had 

[Dave Willis]

Assuming its 4 hours work with an hour travel, 5 hours total

whats wrong with £150 ?

explain

i suppose if your working for another window cleaner and he's paying you £150 for you doing it then there's nothing wrong with it,but he will be getting £500 + lol. My point is if you do jobs like that for that silly amount you'll make little profit so if the van goes wrong you need new poles it snows for 2 weeks and you can't work you'll be happy with that then will you.  Wouldn't it be better to get a very good daily rate and then have the £150 as the profit that job might only be 3 monthly.

NWH you halfwit! 8 weekly put in a higher price - why do you think he DIDN'T GET THE JOB?

[Stoots]

Assuming its 4 hours work with an hour travel, 5 hours total

whats wrong with £150 ?

explain

i suppose if your working for another window cleaner and he's paying you £150 for you doing it then there's nothing wrong with it,but he will be getting £500 + lol. My point is if you do jobs like that for that silly amount you'll make little profit so if the van goes wrong you need new poles it snows for 2 weeks and you can't work you'll be happy with that then will you.  Wouldn't it be better to get a very good daily rate and then have the £150 as the profit that job might only be 3 monthly.

little profit? how much would expenses be?  a tenner?

if you cant make any profit or pay for new poles/weather delays on 1000 a week then i dunno lol

[NWH]

Ah, the penny has dropped. 8 weekly didn't get the job because they are mega rich, drink £170 bottles of wine and he simply didn't charge enough.
Therefore he looked so cheap and nasty that they stuck with their normal cleaners.

I didn't think it would be long before you started turning this into a I earn more than you thread Dave,you can bitch and try to irritate me all you like Dave but I'm not mug enough to go round pricing jobs like that up on &35-40 an hour it ain't happening m8. They are cream jobs the kind of jobs that make you want to get to work if I wanted to earn £150 for 4-5 hours work I'd be cleaning cul-de-sacs of bungalows and 3 bed semis all day long,if you think that's a £150 job I'd stay away from pricing work like that cos i reckon you'd end up a busy fool m8.

[Dave Willis]

I'll help you here NWH - he was too expensive.
No use spouting about professionalism, new poles etc. He was just too dear and couldn't compete.

[Smurf]

Plenty of nationals are making loads of money off the backs of subs and to be honest I don't blame them when people will work for peanuts.

[Smurf]

I'll help you here NWH - he was too expensive.
No use spouting about professionalism, new poles etc. He was just too dear and couldn't compete.

So you just believe everything what people tell you at face value then Dave. 
Potential customers will lie through their back teeth if it means they can get something for next to bugger all.

[Dave Willis]

You've lost me now - why do you think he didn't get the job 

[8weekly]

I'll help you here NWH - he was too expensive.
No use spouting about professionalism, new poles etc. He was just too dear and couldn't compete.

Wouldn't compete.

[Tom-01]

I'll help you here NWH - he was too expensive.
No use spouting about professionalism, new poles etc. He was just too dear and couldn't compete.

Wouldn't compete.

Don't blame you. I'd be half tempted to invoice them £170 for your time going there to look at the place if thats all they're paying for the cleans.

[Tom-01]

We are in business to make a decent net profit on each job not lose money Dave.
For instance I did a gutter clearing job that took just over two and a half hours to do properly for £300... That’s working on my own.

I can't get my head around why so many want to charge so little on large window cleaning jobs like that as makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Its simple, if it was possible to get £300 for two a half hours doing work a trained monkey could do then every trained
monkey in the land would be out doing it.
I like others have to compete with  guys clearing gutters from a ladder charging £20 for a 4 bed semi front and back, now
being more professional and doing a better job means I can demand more but not hundreds more.
As I have said before its always strange that the only places where there are fortunes to be earned in this business are places
where no nobody seems to want to do it.

Any trained monkey as you put it can clear gutters but it's down to the salesman in you to have the bottle to ask for what the job is really worth to you and get away with it. The reason why people are willing to pay top dollar for work is they don't want a trained monkey to turn up and do it. 

Definitely agree with that. I've got so many jobs knowing they could get it way cheaper being done by someone else. The thing is they didn't want someone else. I'll say my price and they're more than welcome to shop around. Most of the time they don't as they probably get so many dodgy trades around they want quality.

[Tosh]

You've lost me now - why do you think he didn't get the job 

Because they already had a crowd doing it, they were just exploring the market to check they had the price right.