[Matt.]

So with that pump in smurfs link straight from a tank.


Sound like a plan that.

[Smurf]

So with that pump in smurfs link straight from a tank.


Sound like a plan that.

If you mean that pump link on its own I posted still needs to be driven by a petrol or electric motor then it will draw from either a tank or containers
Ben also sell the portable versions without the barrow tank https://www.softwashtechnology.co.uk/collections/softwash-systems

[Smurf]

In theory ye ...... Am thinking as am writing so be with me

I see Ben ( I think ) had some 12v pumps on his site that are capable on 12-15lpm, if you have another tank in the van and set pump up same way we wfp would this not give us what we need, maybe using wider hose, pole hose and bigger jets.

This is probably the 12v type pump you were thinking of Matty https://www.softwashtechnology.co.uk/collections/pumps/products/flojet-triplex-high-flow-r3521134a-pump-12v-4-8-bar-15-1-lpm

Still best you don't go sticking hypo through it methinks

[Smudger]

should be fine with hypo - hence the viton seals but a quick rinse through would keep it tip top, and is good practice.

1 pump £90
1 100 litre tank £45
1 trolley £50
1 battery £50 ( or £5 from scrappy or zero is sourced from Liverpool 😂 )
Hose and some odds and ends £30

Bingo, system £270 odd quid 👍

Darran

[Carl2009]

Interesting post. Can someone educate me though...

Here in Wales the go-to method for the householder wanting to clean the green algae off their house is sodium hypochlorite diluted at around 4 to 1 with tapwater. Application? Usually via a garden pump sprayer (not as a mist, but as a "drench"), left 5 mins then rinsed off with the garden hose. Indeed i've used this method myself, suitably kitted our in farmers' waterproofs (like Flexothane) and goggles.

1. Is this a dangerous way to apply SH?
2. Should SH be avoided at all costs?
3. What is the alternative chemical?
4. How is said alternative to be applied?

I don't offer softwashing and have no plans to, but good to know not least for myself.

Cheers.

 

[Matt.]

should be fine with hypo - hence the viton seals but a quick rinse through would keep it tip top, and is good practice.

1 pump £90
1 100 litre tank £45
1 trolley £50
1 battery £50 ( or £5 from scrappy or zero is sourced from Liverpool 😂 )
Hose and some odds and ends £30

Bingo, system £270 odd quid 👍

Darran

I like it but let's be honest if sourced from Liverpool u could prob have the lot off someone for £50.

But ye I think with any chemicals as long as u put water through it afterwards it will be ok .....

I have ran out of room in me van for now, during the summer sometime am guna fit me hose reel I got off Ben an set another tank up for soft wash or chemical application al get one of those 12v pump off him ( I didn't know that pump had to run off motor smurf ) and away it will go, I was going to do this with a normal shurflo pump and just have it for chemicals but be a bit of a waste of time knowing I can be ahead of the game for once  and go full 12lpm
A few connectors and it would run into me high pressure hose and out the lance again a good flow of water afterwards should be ok

[mark m]

You might not have seen another post by algo clear smurf

http://www.softwashsolutions.biz/

[CleanClear]

Interesting post. Can someone educate me though...

Here in Wales the go-to method for the householder wanting to clean the green algae off their house is sodium hypochlorite diluted at around 4 to 1 with tapwater. Application? Usually via a garden pump sprayer (not as a mist, but as a "drench"), left 5 mins then rinsed off with the garden hose. Indeed i've used this method myself, suitably kitted our in farmers' waterproofs (like Flexothane) and goggles.

1. Is this a dangerous way to apply SH?
2. Should SH be avoided at all costs?
3. What is the alternative chemical?
4. How is said alternative to be applied?

I don't offer softwashing and have no plans to, but good to know not least for myself.

Cheers.

I'm no expert Carl, so this is only my point of view. I've used SH in combination with jetwashing and i've used it standalone as a swill like what you're describing to clean the pavement in the front of my house and my yard......................
Regards to what you say above, yes its important to keep it off your clothes or it will rot them. And it should go without saying here that yes, you should not get it in your eyes. It will damage plants, fish etc so should be avoided near them.

That said lets remember three things................
(1) Its stored in black containers as exposure to sunlight degrades it and breaks it down, rendering it ineffective.
(2) Its stored, and required to be stored airtight so it does not "evaporate", as that also breaks it down and renders it innefective.
(3) its used as a shock treatment in swimming pools as an alternative to emptying the pool to clean it.

My question to you would be....why are you rinsing it off ? Just leave it, it will dry out and become negative. Its not acid.

[CleanClear]

should be fine with hypo - hence the viton seals but a quick rinse through would keep it tip top, and is good practice.

1 pump £90
1 100 litre tank £45
1 trolley £50
1 battery £50 ( or £5 from scrappy or zero is sourced from Liverpool 😂 )
Hose and some odds and ends £30

Bingo, system £270 odd quid 👍

Darran

I like it but let's be honest if sourced from Liverpool u could prob have the lot off someone for £50.

I'm in Liverpool, give me the heads up where you get that amount of gear for £50 ?

[mark m]

there is lots of products out there which do a great job and not always hypo , and to be honest a normal trolley will do a great job if applied correctly I had a shurflo pump which has been abused  for a year plus now with hypo and still working fine

[Dave Willis]

Nice, what was it like before?

[Smudger]

it's good to see some reasonable and educated responses - try talking hypo on the general cleaning thread and you low and behold your the next Jimmy savill or Adam Johnson....

I use a long lance for render work just to minimalise the distance of travel, I've also used a pump sprayer and worked off a ladder. I do rinse down mainly to get an even finish.

Darran

[Smurf]

You might not have seen another post by algo clear smurf

http://www.softwashsolutions.biz/

Talk about a man on  a mission or what 

[Carl2009]

My question to you would be....why are you rinsing it off ? Just leave it, it will dry out and become negative. Its not acid.
[/quote]

As with a lot of things, that was the received wisdom. My neighbour showed me what he did and I copied 

I would like to know if (given normal safety rules about overspray, PSE, aquatic organisms, rug rats etc) it is safe to use. I've used it on my house the last 7 years with no adverse effects on the Weathershield; but what about effects on me, the operator. I have gone gray since I started, but i'm putting that down to a mix of "Not today, it's going to rain" and late payers....

[Smudger]

While bleach is toxic in its strongest forms it poses little threat to humans, short term if ingested will cause upset stomach, stinging to eyes A solution containing less than 10% bleach (sodium hypochlorite) is not regarded as toxic and can be safely ingested (  ) stronger solutions will cause skin irritations and buring of the mouth and throat. No long health threats no cancer causing properties.

HOWEVER

if mixed with ammonia or other acids/acidic items you get a strong chemical reaction, namely chorine gas - highly dangerous stuff - also don't pee in it!!

SUMMARY

used by itself with care it poses little threat other than your clothing and pond life ( which is pretty fragile to just about everything even soap ) I've sprayed in on various plants in the garden to test it - at worst some leaves go white, shrivel up and die, but not lost any plants as its not systemic - grass only seems effected in strong doses and I've only killed that using 15% strength neat - even then it's grown back six months later

Darran

[Carl2009]

Cheers Smudged!

[Smurf]

While bleach is toxic in its strongest forms it poses little threat to humans, short term if ingested will cause upset stomach, stinging to eyes A solution containing less than 10% bleach (sodium hypochlorite) is not regarded as toxic and can be safely ingested (  ) stronger solutions will cause skin irritations and buring of the mouth and throat. No long health threats no cancer causing properties.

HOWEVER

if mixed with ammonia or other acids/acidic items you get a strong chemical reaction, namely chorine gas - highly dangerous stuff - also don't pee in it!!

SUMMERY

used by itself with care it poses little threat other than your clothing and pond life ( which is pretty fragile to just about everything even soap ) I've sprayed in on various plants in the garden to test it - at worst some leaves go white, shrivel up and die, but not lost any plants as its not systemic - grass only seems effected in strong doses and I've only killed that using 15% strength neat - even then it's grown back six months later

Darran

They say hypo can be quite corrosive and damage/degrade certain types of metal, rubber seals etc and stain/etch glass.  Therefore I’m just wondering if you have had any first hand experienced of this happening smudger?

[Smudger]

Yes hypo does attack some metals ( mild steel defo ) but not stainless steel.

I have sprayed it on lead flashing without any problems, but I do rinse down as soon as it's done its job so not left on long term, with mild steel a fitting I use on the X jet has gone rusty very quickly ( over 3 to 4 months ) but this was perminatly sitting in water/hypo mix in a bucket.

Bear in mind bleach is used daily in kitchens and bathrooms everyday I've never seen had glass damaged or upvc frames or rubber seals

For ref: I'd use it at the job you posted on the other section - tarp the grass area and all will be fine algo clear will cause as much if not more harm to the water than the hypo

Darran

[Smurf]

Yes hypo does attack some metals ( mild steel defo ) but not stainless steel.

I have sprayed it on lead flashing without any problems, but I do rinse down as soon as it's done its job so not left on long term, with mild steel a fitting I use on the X jet has gone rusty very quickly ( over 3 to 4 months ) but this was perminatly sitting in water/hypo mix in a bucket.

Bear in mind bleach is used daily in kitchens and bathrooms everyday I've never seen had glass damaged or upvc frames or rubber seals

For ref: I'd use it at the job you posted on the other section - tarp the grass area and all will be fine algo clear will cause as much if not more harm to the water than the hypo

Darran

On that job in the other post I'm more concerned with using hypo with the overspray/run- off causing damage/degrading the zinc roof and roof line smudger.

[Smudger]

An experiment has been conducted for hypo and stainless at 15% 304 stainless showed signs of rust/corrosion after 8 weeks of contact.  316 stainless no effect.

Also found hypo experiment on plants where they were misted with a solution (20% hypo) for 4 weeks only one type of plant died - another was in poor condition while the other 5 had no adverse effects.

This was done to see if algae removal in commercial greenhouses using hypo spray would damage the plants growing inside - apparently not !

I'm not a chemist, and I'm not saying it's safe to spray around without regard to people and your surroundings but algoclear (ammonia whatever) has issues too, burns the skin, kills pond life etc..

Darran