[sean oregan]

Just a point about the full size 8.4 jag.
I was reading a post on ct from someone who had just purchased one and he was saying (like its a good thing) "it's so powerful you can see the tank bow because of the suction."
If my tank bowed when I turn it on I would be very concerned about the build quality.
Just saying!

[Adam Eastman]

I think originally the outlet had a bend in it so bucket didn't fit, but as can clearly be seen bucket now fits.

Has bucketgate ended

There is a U bend that comes with waste tank valves. The one in the video has had the U bend removed. It just slides on and off. I prefer the U bend being there as it directs the waste water straight in to the bucket. Without it it'll splash all over the place unless slowly release the  valve and potentially have to angle the bucket as the water will have a tendency to go straight out rather than down. If that makes sense lol

Isn't this getting a little bit daft now chaps?

I'm a complete newbie to all this, I have no alliance to Solutions, clean smart or any other manufacture, I was just looking for an unbiased review on a couple of machines from those who have and use them on a daily bases. However I can't help think there are a couple here who have a personal grievance towards any Solutions products and I'm not getting a truly unbiased opinion from some.

This whole thing about it's a flawed design because a bucket doesn't fit underneath. We have a video clearly showing that a bucket does fit underneath.  I then read this comment about it only fitting because the s bend that slides on and off has been removed and how much better it is to have the s bend there.  Surly if the s bend slides on and off and it's beneficial to have the s bend on there, would you not slide the s bend off, slide the bucket underneath and slide the s bend back on?

[Jennifer w]

Ever wondered why the party seems to be going on at the other end of the table guys?

[Carpet Dawg]

I think originally the outlet had a bend in it so bucket didn't fit, but as can clearly be seen bucket now fits.

Has bucketgate ended

There is a U bend that comes with waste tank valves. The one in the video has had the U bend removed. It just slides on and off. I prefer the U bend being there as it directs the waste water straight in to the bucket. Without it it'll splash all over the place unless slowly release the  valve and potentially have to angle the bucket as the water will have a tendency to go straight out rather than down. If that makes sense lol

Isn't this getting a little bit daft now chaps?

I'm a complete newbie to all this, I have no alliance to Solutions, clean smart or any other manufacture, I was just looking for an unbiased review on a couple of machines from those who have and use them on a daily bases. However I can't help think there are a couple here who have a personal grievance towards any Solutions products and I'm not getting a truly unbiased opinion from some.

This whole thing about it's a flawed design because a bucket doesn't fit underneath. We have a video clearly showing that a bucket does fit underneath.  I then read this comment about it only fitting because the s bend that slides on and off has been removed and how much better it is to have the s bend there.  Surly if the s bend slides on and off and it's beneficial to have the s bend on there, would you not slide the s bend off, slide the bucket underneath and slide the s bend back on?

Just to make it absolutely clear Adam. I have no grievance with Solutions, its owner or the makers of the machine. I have bought a couple of their chems in the past but that's all the connection I have with them. I've never been a member of their forum. You asked for an opinion (I think lol) and you got one.

I cant speak for the others but I was trying to point you in the right direction. I wish when I started 14 years ago that I had someone or a forum or the internet to point me in the right direction.

This is quite a hard physical job. As well as the manual labour part of it, you dealing with customers, marketing, answering the phone and doing sales, answering questions etc etc So why put more obsitcales in your way to make life harder? for the sake of a few hundred pounds more, why not buy a better machine to do the best possible job and make life easier on your self?

The mind truly boggles with some of the rubbish I hear on here sometimes.

[Carpet Dawg]

Ever wondered why the party seems to be going on at the other end of the table guys?

Usual gibberish from you 

[Adam Eastman]

I think originally the outlet had a bend in it so bucket didn't fit, but as can clearly be seen bucket now fits.

Has bucketgate ended

There is a U bend that comes with waste tank valves. The one in the video has had the U bend removed. It just slides on and off. I prefer the U bend being there as it directs the waste water straight in to the bucket. Without it it'll splash all over the place unless slowly release the  valve and potentially have to angle the bucket as the water will have a tendency to go straight out rather than down. If that makes sense lol

Isn't this getting a little bit daft now chaps?

I'm a complete newbie to all this, I have no alliance to Solutions, clean smart or any other manufacture, I was just looking for an unbiased review on a couple of machines from those who have and use them on a daily bases. However I can't help think there are a couple here who have a personal grievance towards any Solutions products and I'm not getting a truly unbiased opinion from some.

This whole thing about it's a flawed design because a bucket doesn't fit underneath. We have a video clearly showing that a bucket does fit underneath.  I then read this comment about it only fitting because the s bend that slides on and off has been removed and how much better it is to have the s bend there.  Surly if the s bend slides on and off and it's beneficial to have the s bend on there, would you not slide the s bend off, slide the bucket underneath and slide the s bend back on?

Just to make it absolutely clear Adam. I have no grievance with Solutions, its owner or the makers of the machine. I have bought a couple of their chems in the past but that's all the connection I have with them. I've never been a member of their forum. You asked for an opinion (I think lol) and you got one.

I cant speak for the others but I was trying to point you in the right direction. I wish when I started 14 years ago that I had someone or a forum or the internet to point me in the right direction.

This is quite a hard physical job. As well as the manual labour part of it, you dealing with customers, marketing, answering the phone and doing sales, answering questions etc etc So why put more obsitcales in your way to make life harder? for the sake of a few hundred pounds more, why not buy a better machine to do the best possible job and make life easier on your self?

The mind truly boggles with some of the rubbish I hear on here sometimes.

Wasn't aiming my previous comments at you directly, just can't help but feel I'm not getting an unbiased opinion from some.

Would be a great help if you could tell me what machine you use for those jobs where access with a 40-50kg machine isn't physically possible, and any feedback on that machine, good points and bad.

[Jennifer w]

That's a bit harsh carpet dawg, it was a serious question.....

[john martin]

I think originally the outlet had a bend in it so bucket didn't fit, but as can clearly be seen bucket now fits.

Has bucketgate ended

There is a U bend that comes with waste tank valves. The one in the video has had the U bend removed. It just slides on and off. I prefer the U bend being there as it directs the waste water straight in to the bucket. Without it it'll splash all over the place unless slowly release the  valve and potentially have to angle the bucket as the water will have a tendency to go straight out rather than down. If that makes sense lol

Isn't this getting a little bit daft now chaps?

I'm a complete newbie to all this, I have no alliance to Solutions, clean smart or any other manufacture, I was just looking for an unbiased review on a couple of machines from those who have and use them on a daily bases. However I can't help think there are a couple here who have a personal grievance towards any Solutions products and I'm not getting a truly unbiased opinion from some.

This whole thing about it's a flawed design because a bucket doesn't fit underneath. We have a video clearly showing that a bucket does fit underneath.  I then read this comment about it only fitting because the s bend that slides on and off has been removed and how much better it is to have the s bend there.  Surly if the s bend slides on and off and it's beneficial to have the s bend on there, would you not slide the s bend off, slide the bucket underneath and slide the s bend back on?

Just to make it absolutely clear Adam. I have no grievance with Solutions, its owner or the makers of the machine. I have bought a couple of their chems in the past but that's all the connection I have with them. I've never been a member of their forum. You asked for an opinion (I think lol) and you got one.

I cant speak for the others but I was trying to point you in the right direction. I wish when I started 14 years ago that I had someone or a forum or the internet to point me in the right direction.

This is quite a hard physical job. As well as the manual labour part of it, you dealing with customers, marketing, answering the phone and doing sales, answering questions etc etc So why put more obsitcales in your way to make life harder? for the sake of a few hundred pounds more, why not buy a better machine to do the best possible job and make life easier on your self?

The mind truly boggles with some of the rubbish I hear on here sometimes.

Wasn't aiming my previous comments at you directly, just can't help but feel I'm not getting an unbiased opinion from some.

Would be a great help if you could tell me what machine you use for those jobs where access with a 40-50kg machine isn't physically possible, and any feedback on that machine, good points and bad.

Im probably in the biased camp 

With  good design u are rarly if ever taking the full weight of these machines ...  watch vid -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSPHcFVxS9Q

If you have a full size twin vac with good vacs  should be able to run hose from it upstairs in almost all situations  , leaving the machine downstairs or outside the door
For you ..perhaps leave the TM3 for now ( if u were buying one  ) and spend that money on a good full size twin vac  ....    get heat if u can as its cheaper than an external ...  yes inline heat is best used at about 25ft but u will be working at short rang a lot of the time anyway .
In place of the tm3 just use a carpet brush to scrub in the prespray .

[sean oregan]

This is the reason this forum is so good

You can give an honest opinion.
People have and can voice their own opinion and it doesn't have to be the same as forum owner.
You can take it or leave it your choice.

If you want biased opinion that's censored ask about that machine on ct.

Am I against ct, woc or Nick? No not really,  I don't use them because I had shocking customer service from them with a don't care attitude.

I am banned from ct tho. Not because I said something negative about them but because I was not actively promoting them on here.

So if you use this forum and ct and don't promote woc, Nick etc you could get banned from his forum.

[Derek Corbrick]

Adam as I explained I was thinking about the same 2 macines and it was only after talking to John at Restormate who is probably one of the most knowledgeable people in this industry that I took his advice and went for the airflex mini. I have never had any dealings with woc. I have 220 psi adjustable pump and inline heater in mine and it has tackled everything I have thrown at it.
My decision was made purely on advice.

[david mitcham]

John Martin that is the worst advise I have ever heard anyone give ref using a broom to agitate over a Tm3 and get a bigger extraction machine , I could get far better results using a Tm3 and a cub every time and who the hell wants to broom a carpet in this day and age !!!

[Carl Rees]

David I completely agree, that is thee worst advise I have heard in a long time, a good agitation machine is essential if consistently good results are required. A tm3 coupled with a cub or airflex will give great results as long as the correct solution for the job is used.
Having read through this thread I'm amazed at the desperate crapy bilge being offered as good advice.... And saying that a cub is nothing but an underperforming spotter is pathetic in the extreme and makes the individual look vindictive and stupid...at best. Do I have a cub? No would I get one? Possibly if it suited my need.
My machine is an airflex pro and I needed to get it up the out side concrete stairs of a second floor flat in the rain and it dam near killed me! I'm now thinking of a small extraction machine for these jobs and the cub looks like it may  fit the bill. I know a few colleagues who have one and they love it, - ever see one second hand.......if you do let me know and I will snap it up!

[sean oregan]

Got to agree tm3/4, host are great for agitation but if I was starting out I would buy a machine with heat and a sebo duo and a brush for resetting pile.
Admittedly I don't feel the need of my host so much now because I don't use poor solutions.
If you go down the detergent free route your best off with decent crb.

But I still feel you would be better off with full size machine to start then add a smaller one at later date if you feel it's required. Even if it's a full size jag

[Dave Lissaman]

This thread was flagged up to me by a fellow CC.  He told me that I wouldn't believe some of the comments on here. I'm only an occasional visitor so had missed what was happening.
I'm not impartial in this as I have a cub. Its my back up machine and for areas of poor accessibility. The rest of the time I use a full size machine from the van.
Is it a good machine?  I think for a small easily transportable machine it is. I've had no reliability problems in 2 years of use. My bucket fits underneath the outlet even with the bend in place. I may have to tilt the bucket slightly but thankfully god gave me the  dexterous ability to tilt a bucket slightly as I remove it. He also gave me the ability to tilt the machine slightly at the end of a clean to  empty the last dregs from the waste tank. Its not hard and its not rocket science.
Are there better similar machines? To be honest I don't know as the cub fitted my requirements so i bought it.
Comments have been made that light weight is unimportant. For me I cannot agree. I bought this for difficult access areas. Flats without lifts or narrow staircases. With the cub I can simply pick it up and carry it up the stirs to where i want it. No need to worry about pulling it up the stairs.  Unless you are part of a travelling circus you can easily do the same.
Best advice I've seen on here is that you should try both machines before you buy.
Not sure where you are but you're welcome to have a go with my cub

[Dave Lissaman]

Oh, and the worst advice  - use a pile brush - WTF

[Tadgh O Shea]

David I completely agree, that is thee worst advise I have heard in a long time, a good agitation machine is essential if consistently good results are required. A tm3 coupled with a cub or airflex will give great results as long as the correct solution for the job is used.
Having read through this thread I'm amazed at the desperate crapy bilge being offered as good advice.... And saying that a cub is nothing but an underperforming spotter is pathetic in the extreme and makes the individual look vindictive and stupid...at best. Do I have a cub? No would I get one? Possibly if it suited my need.
My machine is an airflex pro and I needed to get it up the out side concrete stairs of a second floor flat in the rain and it dam near killed me! I'm now thinking of a small extraction machine for these jobs and the cub looks like it may  fit the bill. I know a few colleagues who have one and they love it, - ever see one second hand.......if you do let me know and I will snap it up!

  Well stated Carl, you can have all the bells and whistles when it comes to equipment, but when it comes down to the extraction of soils from carpets and upholstery the most important factor is having the correct safe and effective cleaning solutions for the task at hand.

[Carpet Dawg]

Oh, and the worst advice  - use a pile brush - WTF

What did people do before crb? its only the last few years they've gained popularity.

[sean oregan]

I don't think he was suggesting pile brush is better than a crb.

This thread was about starting out on a budget!
But if you go down the detergent free route  with cold water you do need a crb.
If you use decent chemicals and heat you can get away with pile brush but it's hard work better off getting sebo duo.

[Dave Lissaman]

What did people do before crb? its only the last few years they've gained popularity.


Its progress. Nobody with one would go back to a pile brush so to advise somebody starting up to do that is simply bad advice

[john martin]

What did people do before crb? its only the last few years they've gained popularity.


Its progress. Nobody with one would go back to a pile brush so to advise somebody starting up to do that is simply bad advice

I used a full size CRB today , i was probably using one before cleantalk told u guys it might help compensate for the dire performance of the plant detergent   
 Sean is right  ,  the pile brush suggestion was to make the best of his very limited budget for now .
How could be face filthy upholstery /carpets armed with a single vac cold water spotter .
A proper heated twin vac , be it the express/mini or a full size machine   and some proper chemicals would be  far more capable .
Most apart newbies and the odd old timer grow out of the cleantalk machines and phoney potions so i was just helping him avoid the pitfall and move straight to productivity