[john martin]

Had a cub for 2.5 years, I have no clue what the psi is , I know its a 6.6 motor. I know I consistently win new customers from other cleaners and retain mine , it makes me money and buys me lovely things and experiences and £ for£ it worked out the best return on investment which is why I am in business, all machines have pumps and motors with mildly different configurations, colours and logos on them.

Im sure u do good work and thats what wins you customers . 
Your post suggests all machines are the same so whats the point in comparison or advising the OP which of the two machines he mentions is the best buy and why .
Fact is i bet you cant put a bucket under your machine to empty it  .  I'd bet you do some funny shuffle involving lifting the machine and balancing it against the lip of the bucket , i'd bet you dribbled it at times , or it was awkward to lift because it was half full .
Or else you carry some kids sandcastle bucket to suit the wastegate height ...
whichever ...  its madness   , its such a fundamental basic design feature , there is no point in even disussing the internal components or any other feature of the machine as its fails on the first smallest design hurdle .

[jasonl]

I open the wastegate and let the water go onto the soil or  grass, no bucket needed, if I choose to use a bucket then I use an empty 15l container, its low enough to empty into.

[john martin]

I open the wastegate and let the water go onto the soil or  grass, no bucket needed, if I choose to use a bucket then I use an empty 15l container, its low enough to empty into.

thats no good inside a block of apartments .
Its an example of how the design ( or lack of it ) of your machine choice is wasting your time .
Next thing is getting the grit and settled Cr@p out of the bottom inch ...  some more time spent holding the machine forward and hosing the inside  ...  every day ? every Job ?
None of this messing with the Airflex mini / Alltec Express
+ more power and heat if u choose it .

[sean oregan]

Shouldn't waste go down sewage?

[Adam Eastman]

Had a cub for 2.5 years, I have no clue what the psi is , I know its a 6.6 motor. I know I consistently win new customers from other cleaners and retain mine , it makes me money and buys me lovely things and experiences and £ for£ it worked out the best return on investment which is why I am in business, all machines have pumps and motors with mildly different configurations, colours and logos on them.

Thanks for the feedback Jason, from what I've heard from owners so far all seems to be positive on the performance of the machine. With regards to the price and larger solution tanks, seems a no brainer so far.

[sean oregan]

Good luck Adam ,
 

[jasonl]

In apartment blocks I simply wheel the machine outside and empty it.
To empty grit every few weeks I suck the tank out with another machine, not much grit is ever there since I prevac every job.

my choice of machine is about the least important thing in my business.

What type of fryer does mcdonalds use?

What type of ball does the premier league use?

What brand of golf club does tiger woods use?

Marketing, chemicals, service and image are what gives success, I chose my machines based on service and reliability.

[john martin]

In apartment blocks I simply wheel the machine outside and empty it.
To empty grit every few weeks I suck the tank out with another machine, not much grit is ever there since I prevac every job.

my choice of machine is about the least important thing in my business.

What type of fryer does mcdonalds use?



What type of ball does the premier league use?

What brand of golf club does tiger woods use?

Marketing, chemicals, service and image are what gives success, I chose my machines based on service and reliability.

  what ever works for you .
running in and out of apartments empting a low capacity machine would be my idea of hell , i simply would have time for that messing .  If your successfull and hitting big numbers in your business you must have other things going on ... its def not from running around with a cub.
Your mcDonalds and golf analogy ... dont get it  , you say you dont really care about your machine choice .  I know i do , its vital to me i have a good machine setup , especially as im not running a TM . Tiger woods would consider his choice of clubs vital , and im sure mcdonalds only have the top of the range multi ring hobs and grills .
They would definatly not just say ... ah hell ,  a single ring camping burner will be fine   

[john martin]

Had a cub for 2.5 years, I have no clue what the psi is , I know its a 6.6 motor. I know I consistently win new customers from other cleaners and retain mine , it makes me money and buys me lovely things and experiences and £ for£ it worked out the best return on investment which is why I am in business, all machines have pumps and motors with mildly different configurations, colours and logos on them.

Thanks for the feedback Jason, from what I've heard from owners so far all seems to be positive on the performance of the machine. With regards to the price and larger solution tanks, seems a no brainer so far.

Its def not a no brainer Adam .
What is it that sways you away from the Airflex at this point .

Performance ...  did they tell you on cleantalk the cub is more powerfull ?   I can prove to you in several different ways that the twin 5.7s , especially if you choose two electros ( usually a 1200w combined woth a 1500w )  will be way more powerfull that a single 6.6 . And remember im running four 6.6 at the one time to get what i consider good performance . A single 6.6 on its own is not all that and a bag of peanuts    the two 5.7s do give good performance though .
perhpas u want the two inch hose barb ?   Alltec will fit that for you , people like russ chadd and others selected that .

The volumetric tank capacity differs from the actual usable capacity on these machines so u need to consider that , the full size jag i believe only gives about half waste tank capacity as usable .
perhaps u think you you wont be able to lift the airflex ?    This video shows the actually same casing used  ,  i would say even a rheumatic dwarf would carry it upstairs with one hand .  I think you would even get th full size airflex up steps easier that u think . I have brought the Enforcer up stairs several times and its even heavier id say .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO8iMMJwq1A
Finally things like not getting a bucket under the machine and emptying are not just me having a go , these are real unnecessary issues that will bug u and slow u .
 

[sean oregan]

Also people who use ct and this forum are watched by Nick to make sure they say positive things or they get banned from ct.

[Adam Eastman]

Hi John

The reason I think the cub is going to best meet my needs is mostly down to the weight. When comparing it to the Airflex mini twin vac, the cub is considerably lighter and when comparing it to the Airflex with the 6.6 vac, the cub is considably cheaper. I'm wanting a machine to start with that is capable of doing the job and at the same time easy to pick up and run up to a 4th floor flat if needed. Then in a few months I will be adding a bigger machine, either jag or storm to run as my main machine when access isn't a problem.

With regards to the getting the waste water out, others have mentioned they get a 15 litre bucket under there's, which would be ample. I don't see that I would want to be carrying more then 15kg worth of water in a bucket at anyone time.

[john martin]

Hi John

The reason I think the cub is going to best meet my needs is mostly down to the weight. When comparing it to the Airflex mini twin vac, the cub is considerably lighter and when comparing it to the Airflex with the 6.6 vac, the cub is considably cheaper. I'm wanting a machine to start with that is capable of doing the job and at the same time easy to pick up and run up to a 4th floor flat if needed. Then in a few months I will be adding a bigger machine, either jag or storm to run as my main machine when access isn't a problem.

With regards to the getting the waste water out, others have mentioned they get a 15 litre bucket under there's, which would be ample. I don't see that I would want to be carrying more then 15kg worth of water in a bucket at anyone time.

overall weight is not as important as weight when handling the machine or weight distribution .   They are both light in general .
If you are going upstairs its a pulling action bumping the back wheels from step to step . Both would be easy , as i said i have brought the massive enforcer upstairs like this .
If you are generally maneuvering , say bring the machine from the van to the customers house over gravel , i would say the Semi-Pneumatic tyres and wider track of the airflex will be a lot earier to handle generally .

price ...  there is so little in it ? 
Did u configure the airflex mini on cleansmarts site ...
this is what i get ..
So the Cub is 1300+

A single 6.6 airflex with 200psi pump is 1300+
A single 6.6 airflex with 300psi pump is 1400+

A twin electro airflex with 200psi pump is 1350+
a twin electro airflex with 300psi pump is 1450+

Also if u could get the extra money together  ...  adding the inbuilt inline heater is just 250 extra , its something that would make a huge difference , u only know if you'v used one .

[Adam Eastman]

Hi John

The reason I think the cub is going to best meet my needs is mostly down to the weight. When comparing it to the Airflex mini twin vac, the cub is considerably lighter and when comparing it to the Airflex with the 6.6 vac, the cub is considably cheaper. I'm wanting a machine to start with that is capable of doing the job and at the same time easy to pick up and run up to a 4th floor flat if needed. Then in a few months I will be adding a bigger machine, either jag or storm to run as my main machine when access isn't a problem.

With regards to the getting the waste water out, others have mentioned they get a 15 litre bucket under there's, which would be ample. I don't see that I would want to be carrying more then 15kg worth of water in a bucket at anyone time.

overall weight is not as important as weight when handling the machine or weight distribution .   They are both light in general .
If you are going upstairs its a pulling action bumping the back wheels from step to step . Both would be easy , as i said i have brought the massive enforcer upstairs like this .
If you are generally maneuvering , say bring the machine from the van to the customers house over gravel , i would say the Semi-Pneumatic tyres and wider track of the airflex will be a lot earier to handle generally .

price ...  there is so little in it ? 
Did u configure the airflex mini on cleansmarts site ...
this is what i get ..
So the Cub is 1300+

A single 6.6 airflex with 200psi pump is 1300+
A single 6.6 airflex with 300psi pump is 1400+

A twin electro airflex with 200psi pump is 1350+
a twin electro airflex with 300psi pump is 1450+

Also if u could get the extra money together  ...  adding the inbuilt inline heater is just 250 extra , its something that would make a huge difference , u only know if you'v used one .

I've been speaking to both companies with regards to a 'starter package' and on the machines alone there is over £300 saving on the cub over the mini and quite a bit of savings on other items as well, the TM3 is £100 cheaper as well from solutions.

I have looked at the heater option, but from the research I've done, I gather it's better to spend the extra on an inline heater that can be added closer to the wand?

[john martin]

what do get with your starter package ?  i doubth its anything u cant get the same price or cheaper seperate ..
so u need a wand first .  My own view is that the big s-band twin jet wand they often include is awkward and unnecessary ...  especially when starting off .
I would get this straight 10"  ( hope i can post ashbys link )
http://www.carpet-cleaning-equipment.co.uk/prochem-glidemaster-wand-10-inch-stainless-steel-single-jet-ac1030-p-1676.html

Hoses ... 25ft of both solution and vac hose should be no more than 100 , try the carpetcleaningstore guy or others

TM3 would be a good addition if u can afford it , but it from where ever is cheapest .
or ... a used low speed rotary with a red scrub pad on it it will do the same job for a couple of 100 .
plenty will advise u about a simple chemical choice if u ask .

[Adam Eastman]

what do get with your starter package ?  i doubth its anything u cant get the same price or cheaper seperate ..
so u need a wand first .  My own view is that the big s-band twin jet wand they often include is awkward and unnecessary ...  especially when starting off .
I would get this straight 10"  ( hope i can post ashbys link )
http://www.carpet-cleaning-equipment.co.uk/prochem-glidemaster-wand-10-inch-stainless-steel-single-jet-ac1030-p-1676.html

Hoses ... 25ft of both solution and vac hose should be no more than 100 , try the carpetcleaningstore guy or others

TM3 would be a good addition if u can afford it , but it from where ever is cheapest .
or ... a used low speed rotary with a red scrub pad on it it will do the same job for a couple of 100 .
plenty will advise u about a simple chemical choice if u ask .

The main saving is the machine, cub being significantly cheaper.  There are few other savings on other bits and pieces as well which I've not been able to find the same price or cheaper else where.

Would the single jet wand you recommend performe better then the twin jet? I've noted that with each supplier/manufacture the more jets there are the more expensive the price, so assumed the more jets the better?

The main reason for wanting the TM3 is for good agitation, but also thought  they can be used for dry cleaning Sea grass and sisal?

[john martin]

it dosnt look significantly cheaper to me     it does look cheaper though 

the wand would be your own preference ...
I mostly use a simple straight 12" version of 10" link i sent u . ( i have the 10 also ) i do use it .
I just dont like s-bend

Performance ...   the 10" would be easier to use in tight spaces and easier to handle in general imo
It would normally have a 3flow jet ... where as the twin jet might have two 1.5 jets ... gives u the same water fow overall

prices vary wildly ..  you shoudl pay no more than 150 for a two jet s-bend
http://www.carpetcleanersstore.co.uk/product/twinjetwand

[Dan Wileman]

I can fit a bucket under my cub?! Am I doing something wrong...?

[Adam Eastman]

John, I am starting from scratch having to buy everything, so £300 saving is 'significant' amount to me.

I'm not to concerned on appearance either to be honest, the first impression the customer is going get of my company is me (apart from marketing ect) as long as I'm smartly presented and I can sell myself and do a good job, I'm hoping that will stand me I good stead.

[john martin]

I can fit a bucket under my cub?! Am I doing something wrong...?

is this it ?

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/91938995-childs-red-spade-and-blue-sand-bucket-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=dAan0XrRK0ySouv7sxhzdk8t4PpHeNNCe8F74SPcg1ByIoCvoFSpHalu3cp2wxXH

[john martin]

John, I am starting from scratch having to buy everything, so £300 saving is 'significant' amount to me.

I'm not to concerned on appearance either to be honest, the first impression the customer is going get of my company is me (apart from marketing ect) as long as I'm smartly presented and I can sell myself and do a good job, I'm hoping that will stand me I good stead.

what are u getting for 300  ?