[sunshine windows]

It sounds like your quoted commercial work is achieving just over £30ph per man? Surely you can do more than 3x £10 fronts in an hour

[sunshine windows]

And that's not taking my into account the unsociable working hours

[Sean Dyer]

Commercial is cut throat 1 day you turn up and it's happy days next thing you open your emails and someone has told them they'll do it for peanuts,slow and steady wins the race so I would say some and some but I just think about commercial as being a bonus not bread and butter.

This .....
Ive had upto £1000 per month of commercial now down to under a couple of hundred a month. Just through nationals taking over and people changing contracts to save money.
The few ive got now look like they might leave in next few months as a company I subbed for (who was a friend ) have been bought out and I have a feeling they will shop around for sub contractors...
If you want to be commercial only then you have to gear up that way , otherwise price it to be well paid for your time and never put all your eggs in one basket . 90% of the jobs I find only last a few years , if not you' re probably not charging as much as the other guys, or lucky.

I don't even wanna get started on waiting for invoices ...

[the king]

i think its good to have a both domistic is more relible i have so jobs that ive had for 8 years but domistec is less money commercial is beta money but cut throat and if u lose a job its £100+ were if u lose a domistic its usly £30 or less so swings and roundabouts

[cgh window cleaning]

Domestic or commercial there will always be people that want to save money.

It's not always down to money with commercial some will pay very well for a quality service .
I've had some of more jobs canvassed and approached as well as going out for tender and still kept them even when  other companies have othered to beat my price by 10%.

Sometimes it's the contractors them selfs who are pushing the pric down.

[Mick Kent]

Well im doing better than ever so must be doing something right..
I posted my next few days work to show that nomatter what the weather or curcumstances i can still go out and get some decent dough, admitidly these are not my best days but id say they are pretty average. I used to hit £60-80ph glass time on domestics(glass time) not per hour every hour of my working day which is what makes a big difference.
On commercial i sometimes hit well over £100ph glass time but thats glass time, take off traveling etc then yes it drops to £30-60 on an average 10 hours.
I actualy built up my commercial days to warrant 10 hour days and all has gone to plan for me nicely.
Those who think they can hit £400/500 a day every day on there own doing domestics are in a dream world!!
On paper it looks easy and talking about it sounds easy... doing it day in day out is another story!!.

I can safely say i hit over 6k a month sometimes over 10k after paying staff etc then i have ontop what subbys earn me so i am doing fine and am in a much better position than when i was just domestic.
I still have a lot of domestic which are my best runs of fronts and a few london mansions which are great earning days.
Im happy and can provide for my family and to me thats all that matters.

[Richard Stevenson]

All ways done commercial work,  I think the trick is to get in with managing agent's they can provide lots of high paid work, £100 per hour , but you can get dropped for no good reason which can hert until it's replaced. I can't imagine many domestic windows cleaners on that rate.

[sunshine windows]

Do you not get fed up of working long 10 hour shifts though Mick.

Fair enough the money sounds good but I'd rather be doing shorter days on domestic.

Here's how my week has panned out so far:

Monday - couldn't be arsed, as me and the wife had a late evening on Valentine's. Did 4 jobs round the corner from my mums, then spent the day there. Just over an hours work done.

Tuesday - did the other 9 jobs near my mums and was drawn in again by tea and cake. Around 3 hours work done.

Wednesday - bloody horrible, cold and wet day. Didn't leave home till 9am, started just after 10am after being sat in the van for an hour. Plodded on through the crap weather for around 5 hours getting all my jobs done, 9 in total.

Today - lovely weather (amazing the difference a day can make to your motivation). 8 jobs done between 8.30am-12.15pm. About a 40 minute round trip included in that.

Not working tomorrow.

£819 done in around 13 hours work. This is where I struggle to see the benefits of taking on large commercial contracts that could drop you like a fly.

If I wanted I could fill my days with hourly rates like these, but I'm happy keeping my round very comfortable and building the other guys up to increase my income steadily.

[Smurf]

I've done sweet fanny adam in the last two weeks what with coming down with man flu and can't get rid of a chest infection so I’m spending most of my time in bed. Looking on the bright side I could quite easily get use to doing bugger all 

[sunshine windows]

From what I could gather the n our little road trip Alan, you do next to bugger all most days 

[Mick Kent]

Do you not get fed up of working long 10 hour shifts though Mick.

Fair enough the money sounds good but I'd rather be doing shorter days on domestic.

Here's how my week has panned out so far:

Monday - couldn't be arsed, as me and the wife had a late evening on Valentine's. Did 4 jobs round the corner from my mums, then spent the day there. Just over an hours work done.

Tuesday - did the other 9 jobs near my mums and was drawn in again by tea and cake. Around 3 hours work done.

Wednesday - bloody horrible, cold and wet day. Didn't leave home till 9am, started just after 10am after being sat in the van for an hour. Plodded on through the crap weather for around 5 hours getting all my jobs done, 9 in total.

Today - lovely weather (amazing the difference a day can make to your motivation). 8 jobs done between 8.30am-12.15pm. About a 40 minute round trip included in that.

Not working tomorrow.

£819 done in around 13 hours work. This is where I struggle to see the benefits of taking on large commercial contracts that could drop you like a fly.

If I wanted I could fill my days with hourly rates like these, but I'm happy keeping my round very comfortable and building the other guys up to increase my income steadily.

Like i said im happy and am doing realy well and am enjoying it.. I too used to just do domestics and was happy doing that.. I just fancied a change and a different challenge.
If my commercial goes tits up which i doubt as i have my fingers in so many pies with different contacts and clients but if it did id simply build another couple of  600 customer 4 weekly £10 front rounds up again and employ.
Nothing is hard in our game even if there are twits that make out its something its not with all the business talk making out its the ultimate in business to have that will make them millions... when the only reason they are doing it is because like me they cant do anything else that works as havnt the knowledge or qualifications to do so!! its simply just an easy thing to do.

Anyway fair play to you 13 hours work for £819 on domestics. What area is that??

[NWH]

You get good commercial if your willing to give whoever concerned a good drink on a regular basis in my experience,the only time my heart skips a beat is when I get told oh he's not here anymore here is the new manager. To be perfectly honest if the person concerned doesn't like you your brown bread,I've spoken to people who have given me jobs and I say what was the problem to which there answer almost always is I didn't like the other bloke just something about him I didn't like.

[dazmond]

Do you not get fed up of working long 10 hour shifts though Mick.

Fair enough the money sounds good but I'd rather be doing shorter days on domestic.

Here's how my week has panned out so far:

Monday - couldn't be arsed, as me and the wife had a late evening on Valentine's. Did 4 jobs round the corner from my mums, then spent the day there. Just over an hours work done.

Tuesday - did the other 9 jobs near my mums and was drawn in again by tea and cake. Around 3 hours work done.

Wednesday - bloody horrible, cold and wet day. Didn't leave home till 9am, started just after 10am after being sat in the van for an hour. Plodded on through the crap weather for around 5 hours getting all my jobs done, 9 in total.

Today - lovely weather (amazing the difference a day can make to your motivation). 8 jobs done between 8.30am-12.15pm. About a 40 minute round trip included in that.

Not working tomorrow.

£819 done in around 13 hours work. This is where I struggle to see the benefits of taking on large commercial contracts that could drop you like a fly.

If I wanted I could fill my days with hourly rates like these, but I'm happy keeping my round very comfortable and building the other guys up to increase my income steadily.

blimey thats a good hourly rate for 13 hours!(around £63 an hour) "on the glass" time.i do hit £60 an hour on some work but its only a couple of hours here and there(commercial jobs).are you based down south?

ive got a half day to do tomorrow so ill have done around 28 hours this week(on the glass time) £1140 so around an average of £40 an hour.this doesnt include admin,filling tank,collecting etc but im happy with that.mainly domestic regular window cleaning with a few smallish commercial jobs thrown in.

[8weekly]

You get good commercial if your willing to give whoever concerned a good drink on a regular basis in my experience,the only time my heart skips a beat is when I get told oh he's not here anymore here is the new manager. To be perfectly honest if the person concerned doesn't like you your brown bread,I've spoken to people who have given me jobs and I say what was the problem to which there answer almost always is I didn't like the other bloke just something about him I didn't like.

Everyone's on the take. 

[Smurf]

From what I could gather the n our little road trip Alan, you do next to bugger all most days 

That's true 

[NWH]

You get good commercial if your willing to give whoever concerned a good drink on a regular basis in my experience,the only time my heart skips a beat is when I get told oh he's not here anymore here is the new manager. To be perfectly honest if the person concerned doesn't like you your brown bread,I've spoken to people who have given me jobs and I say what was the problem to which there answer almost always is I didn't like the other bloke just something about him I didn't like.

Everyone's on the take. 

Hello m8 you stick to putting pics up of little gutter cleans eh what do you reckon.

[8weekly]

You get good commercial if your willing to give whoever concerned a good drink on a regular basis in my experience,the only time my heart skips a beat is when I get told oh he's not here anymore here is the new manager. To be perfectly honest if the person concerned doesn't like you your brown bread,I've spoken to people who have given me jobs and I say what was the problem to which there answer almost always is I didn't like the other bloke just something about him I didn't like.

Everyone's on the take. 

Hello m8 you stick to putting pics up of little gutter cleans eh what do you reckon.

Nah, someone'll nick 'em. Thieves & murderers everywhere.

[NWH]

Nah don't you worry pal you'll be ok with them little jobs youve got it boxed off there haven't you.

[Frankybadboy]

i price up my commercial well,but then get told i am to dear 

then the person who ask then come on here spouting off what he does a hour 

[sunshine windows]

i price up my commercial well,but then get told i am to dear 

then the person who ask then come on here spouting off what he does a hour  /quote]

  @ Frankie

I offered you a fair £60 for an hours work you cheeky bugger 

Not my fault i'm getting £180 for it 

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