[telfordwindowclnr]

Never mind the 10%.......... you want to be one of the 2% who are earning 98% of all the money being made 

[telfordwindowclnr]

For those of you who know who Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and other people of that type are, being part of the 10% is an important part of what they teach. How does this apply to window cleaning?

After many threads read on here and writing a number myself, it seems the same people tend to post the same types of comments. So here is my theory:

It seems we all fall into different types of brackets:

1. Window Cleaners
2. Those who run window cleaning businesses
3. Businessmen who's current business happens to be window cleaning

What are the differences?

It seems window cleaners are obsessed about brush type, length of pole, getting a new 'custie' (I find that derogatory) etc. They also tend to post the most negative comments and are quick to pick fault, insult, have bad grammar and make spelling mistakes. I'd say they are about 20% of the makeup of the forum.

Then you have those who run window cleaning businesses, those who discuss what vehicles to buy, tax issues etc. They are more focused on making middle of the road comments on threads, weigh things up equally and are not offensive to virtually anyone in any way. They are probably 70% of the forum population.

Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggardocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others and show what can be accomplished. I think these are what make up the 10%.

All are needed, but not all are appreciated. We probably all know what category we fall into if we are honest and where we aspire to be.

I want to be part of the 10%. I want to find out the mindset of the masses and avoid it, read the books that the masses read and not read them. The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be.

I have just noted some spelling mistakes and grammatical impossibilities you have put in your post Steve. So if you want to be in your rather arbitrary "10%" you'd better shape up in the spelling department.

One of the best salesmen/inspirational businessmen I worked for couldn't spell for toffee. He didn't know how to spell one of his best customers names. He spelled it "Mapisco" instead of "Nabisco". Oh how we supercilious grammar nazis laughed.

We didn't laugh when he sold more stuff than the next three salesmen put together though.

Spelling and grammar do not a happy and fulfilled and successful person make.

Granville, mistakes duly noted and corrected, thank you.  I'm happy to be corrected.  That's how to learn and grow. 

[chris turner]

For those of you who know who Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and other people of that type are, being part of the 10% is an important part of what they teach. How does this apply to window cleaning?

After many threads read on here and writing a number myself, it seems the same people tend to post the same types of comments. So here is my theory:

It seems we all fall into different types of brackets:

1. Window Cleaners
2. Those who run window cleaning businesses
3. Businessmen who's current business happens to be window cleaning

What are the differences?

It seems window cleaners are obsessed about brush type, length of pole, getting a new 'custie' (I find that derogatory) etc. They also tend to post the most negative comments and are quick to pick fault, insult, have bad grammar and make spelling mistakes. I'd say they are about 20% of the makeup of the forum.

Then you have those who run window cleaning businesses, those who discuss what vehicles to buy, tax issues etc. They are more focused on making middle of the road comments on threads, weigh things up equally and are not offensive to virtually anyone in any way. They are probably 70% of the forum population.

Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggardocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others and show what can be accomplished. I think these are what make up the 10%.

All are needed, but not all are appreciated. We probably all know what category we fall into if we are honest and where we aspire to be.

I want to be part of the 10%. I want to find out the mindset of the masses and avoid it, read the books that the masses read and not read them. The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be.

I have just noted some spelling mistakes and grammatical impossibilities you have put in your post Steve. So if you want to be in your rather arbitrary "10%" you'd better shape up in the spelling department.

One of the best salesmen/inspirational businessmen I worked for couldn't spell for toffee. He didn't know how to spell one of his best customers names. He spelled it "Mapisco" instead of "Nabisco". Oh how we supercilious grammar nazis laughed.

We didn't laugh when he sold more stuff than the next three salesmen put together though.

Spelling and grammar do not a happy and fulfilled and successful person make.

Granville, mistakes duly noted and corrected, thank you.  I'm happy to be corrected.  That's how to learn and grow. 

Not sure your head can grow any bigger.
Maybe you could use the inches elsewhere though?

[Lee Pryor]

IMHO that part of the forum now a quiet place and a loss to the forum.

Will it happen on the windows section -

No, because this a window cleaning forum, not a business forum.


They can go here, it's for entrepreneurs http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk they'll be in their element, ducking and diving with those who are bigger and better than them.

Sorry Matt I thought window cleaning was a business? Well I see it that way. What do you see it as then?

[Lee Pryor]

I can see where this one is going already.

Yep me to.

Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.

I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?

I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!

Enjoyed your update videos mate. Interesting to see a larger operation. Love to see some more when you get chance

Thanks.

I dont plan to make another one for a while. In about 18 months from now I plan to then, depending on how things pan out over the next year.

[ascjim]

For those of you who know who Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and other people of that type are, being part of the 10% is an important part of what they teach. How does this apply to window cleaning?

After many threads read on here and writing a number myself, it seems the same people tend to post the same types of comments. So here is my theory:

It seems we all fall into different types of brackets:

1. Window Cleaners
2. Those who run window cleaning businesses
3. Businessmen whose current business happens to be window cleaning

What are the differences?

It seems window cleaners are obsessed about brush type, length of pole, getting a new 'custie' (I find that derogatory) etc. They also tend to post the most negative comments and are quick to pick fault, insult, have bad grammar and make spelling mistakes. I'd say they are about 20% of the makeup of the forum.

Then you have those who run window cleaning businesses, those who discuss what vehicles to buy, tax issues etc. They are more focused on making middle of the road comments on threads, weigh things up equally and are not offensive to virtually anyone in any way. They are probably 70% of the forum population.

Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggadocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others and show what can be accomplished. I think these are what make up the 10%.

All are needed, but not all are appreciated. We probably all know what category we fall into if we are honest and where we aspire to be.

I want to be part of the 10%. I want to find out the mindset of the masses and avoid it, read the books that the masses read and not read them. The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be.

100% agree with you Steve.

The air is fresh when your at the top - Earl Nightingale

Can I put your post on my blog?

[Clever Forum Name]

I can see where this one is going already.

Yep me to.

Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.

I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?

I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!

Enjoyed your update videos mate. Interesting to see a larger operation. Love to see some more when you get chance

Thanks.

I dont plan to make another one for a while. In about 18 months from now I plan to then, depending on how things pan out over the next year.

Do you know what i remember seeing those videos now. Wasn't it something like 25,000 leaflets with jog post or something like that. I don't know why but your videos (i think one todo with a hot water setup and free clx4) gave me a massive kick up the bum.

This was about 4 maybe 5 years ago.

Massive thank you Lee! Owe you a pint one day!!!!!

[windowswashed]

I ignore people who are big headed who put others down. There are all types on here. Some I totally ignore, others I read their opinions and advice.
I have run businesses before besides window cleaning. I'm window cleaning as I have three life changing illnesses and this job allows me to continue working for as long as I'm able to perservere. My only real goal business wise is to hurry up and pay off my mortgage so I can work less hours than I am now. I try to balance work with a healthy attitude towards a social life. Don't wish to be rich at window cleaning or build an empire.
Balancing work, health and a life outside of work whilst my health deteriorates is a challenge in itself.
When I started this job I just wanted to be good at my job and grow which I did. Then my health stopped me working completely and I ended up being cared for 24/7. Getting my health and independence back was my goal in life when I defeated doctors and specialists telling me my life was virtually over and almost resorted to a one way holiday to Switzerland. I have determination and stubbornness like you wouldn't believe.
My main goal in life is to do enough to get by with everyday needs and to live life to the full as much as my health allows. Time passes quicker than you realise sometimes, why miss the things that are important in life. Window cleaning is a means to an end and how you use it to achieve what you need out of life is your choice.

[Lee Pryor]

I can see where this one is going already.

Yep me to.

Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.

I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?

I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!

Enjoyed your update videos mate. Interesting to see a larger operation. Love to see some more when you get chance

Thanks.

I dont plan to make another one for a while. In about 18 months from now I plan to then, depending on how things pan out over the next year.

Do you know what i remember seeing those videos now. Wasn't it something like 25,000 leaflets with jog post or something like that. I don't know why but your videos (i think one todo with a hot water setup and free clx4) gave me a massive kick up the bum.

This was about 4 maybe 5 years ago.

Massive thank you Lee! Owe you a pint one day!!!!!

Thanks im ready for that pint right now as it goes haha!

Actually it was 100,000 leaflets in that video. I plan to deliver 1million over the next 12 months. I will be making a video about that when its all done.

I will just say I wont be answering anyones questions about the statment I just made at this time.

[Dave Willis]

Was Lee the guy who photographed his Porche every week or was that someone else?

[sunshine windows]

I ignore people who are big headed who put others down. There are all types on here. Some I totally ignore, others I read their opinions and advice.
I have run businesses before besides window cleaning. I'm window cleaning as I have three life changing illnesses and this job allows me to continue working for as long as I'm able to perservere. My only real goal business wise is to hurry up and pay off my mortgage so I can work less hours than I am now. I try to balance work with a healthy attitude towards a social life. Don't wish to be rich at window cleaning or build an empire.
Balancing work, health and a life outside of work whilst my health deteriorates is a challenge in itself.
When I started this job I just wanted to be good at my job and grow which I did. Then my health stopped me working completely and I ended up being cared for 24/7. Getting my health and independence back was my goal in life when I defeated doctors and specialists telling me my life was virtually over and almost resorted to a one way holiday to Switzerland. I have determination and stubbornness like you wouldn't believe.
My main goal in life is to do enough to get by with everyday needs and to live life to the full as much as my health allows. Time passes quicker than you realise sometimes, why miss the things that are important in life. Window cleaning is a means to an end and how you use it to achieve what you need out of life is your choice.

Blimey, sounds like you've had a rough ride.

If that doesn't give people a kick up the arse to live life to the full I don't think anything will. 

Hope you're health improves/holds out as best as possible for the future

[Walter Mitty]

I ignore people who are big headed who put others down. There are all types on here. Some I totally ignore, others I read their opinions and advice.
I have run businesses before besides window cleaning. I'm window cleaning as I have three life changing illnesses and this job allows me to continue working for as long as I'm able to perservere. My only real goal business wise is to hurry up and pay off my mortgage so I can work less hours than I am now. I try to balance work with a healthy attitude towards a social life. Don't wish to be rich at window cleaning or build an empire.
Balancing work, health and a life outside of work whilst my health deteriorates is a challenge in itself.
When I started this job I just wanted to be good at my job and grow which I did. Then my health stopped me working completely and I ended up being cared for 24/7. Getting my health and independence back was my goal in life when I defeated doctors and specialists telling me my life was virtually over and almost resorted to a one way holiday to Switzerland. I have determination and stubbornness like you wouldn't believe.
My main goal in life is to do enough to get by with everyday needs and to live life to the full as much as my health allows. Time passes quicker than you realise sometimes, why miss the things that are important in life. Window cleaning is a means to an end and how you use it to achieve what you need out of life is your choice.

That's possibly one of the most inspirational posts I've seen on here for some while.  I hope that your health holds out and you stay as well as you need to for a very long time.  Although a different type of health problem, I do empathise with the limitations that are sometimes imposed by them.  Thank you for your words.

[jonboywalton75]

For those of you who know who Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and other people of that type are, being part of the 10% is an important part of what they teach. How does this apply to window cleaning?

After many threads read on here and writing a number myself, it seems the same people tend to post the same types of comments. So here is my theory:

It seems we all fall into different types of brackets:

1. Window Cleaners
2. Those who run window cleaning businesses
3. Businessmen who's current business happens to be window cleaning

What are the differences?

It seems window cleaners are obsessed about brush type, length of pole, getting a new 'custie' (I find that derogatory) etc. They also tend to post the most negative comments and are quick to pick fault, insult, have bad grammar and make spelling mistakes. I'd say they are about 20% of the makeup of the forum.

Then you have those who run window cleaning businesses, those who discuss what vehicles to buy, tax issues etc. They are more focused on making middle of the road comments on threads, weigh things up equally and are not offensive to virtually anyone in any way. They are probably 70% of the forum population.

Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggardocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others and show what can be accomplished. I think these are what make up the 10%.

All are needed, but not all are appreciated. We probably all know what category we fall into if we are honest and where we aspire to be.

I want to be part of the 10%. I want to find out the mindset of the masses and avoid it, read the books that the masses read and not read them. The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be.

I have just noted some spelling mistakes and grammatical impossibilities you have put in your post Steve. So if you want to be in your rather arbitrary "10%" you'd better shape up in the spelling department.

One of the best salesmen/inspirational businessmen I worked for couldn't spell for toffee. He didn't know how to spell one of his best customers names. He spelled it "Mapisco" instead of "Nabisco". Oh how we supercilious grammar nazis laughed.

We didn't laugh when he sold more stuff than the next three salesmen put together though.

Spelling and grammar do not a happy and fulfilled and successful person make.

Granville, mistakes duly noted and corrected, thank you.  I'm happy to be corrected.  That's how to learn and grow. 

HEY!!!!!
I spotted the BRAGGADOCIO one😆

[Rich Wilts]

IMHO that part of the forum now a quiet place and a loss to the forum.

Will it happen on the windows section -

No, because this a window cleaning forum, not a business forum.


They can go here, it's for entrepreneurs http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk they'll be in their element, ducking and diving with those who are bigger and better than them.

Sorry Matt I thought window cleaning was a business? Well I see it that way. What do you see it as then?

It's a business. But this is a cleaning forum. You want to talk business? Go to a business forum. You could always go to a business forum and start talking brushes, poles, and varying other utilities and see how you get on.

No grammatical errors or spelling mistakes in there Lee.

How's the radio advertising going?

[Rich Wilts]

Was Lee the guy who photographed his Porche every week or was that someone else?

Yes, but to him it was an extension to his penis

[chris turner]

Was Lee the guy who photographed his Porche every week or was that someone else?

Yes, but to him it was an extension to his penis

I like this quarterlight

[telfordwindowclnr]

I can see where this one is going already.

Yep me to.

Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.

I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?

I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!

I agree  with all of the above Lee. The forum section would be difficult to implement and moderate though, which is a shame.

[telfordwindowclnr]

Nearly 30 people attending the next solar fleece seminar. Is that nearly 30 or 26,27,28 or 29?

As of this afternoon, 30.

[telfordwindowclnr]

Good post Steve, I agree with all but the last paragraph. There are plenty on here that are happy being "just a window cleaner". You don't have to be in the 5 or 10 percent that you strive for to live a happy and fulfilling life.

I agree. But I have also met loads of people whose pensions have failed or who have never REALLY pushed themselves in their life to do anything, not just in their work life. When they get older, they have regrets and not just those of a financial nature.

But I personally don't own a house, or a pension that will be of any benefit should I hit retiring age, nor do I have rich parents whose fortune I can live off when they die. I grew up in a divorced household on a poor council estate, got into petty crime aged 10, and had little direction in life. Nor am I content to just live off benefits should something happen to me now or when I am older.

From a young age I was determined to better myself, my circumstances and hopefully along the way help those I love. I have a sickening dedication to whatever I turn my hand to in my personal or business life. So why not push as hard as I can push, read all I can read, see all I can see, help all I can help and improve all I can improve?

I am not happy just 'being'. It is not about the money. It is about my own feelings of accomplishment and self-worth.

[telfordwindowclnr]

Still got seats to fill Steve?

Cornwall, Norfolk, Suffolk and that's about it.