[dd]

I think the simple reason the xline mono is better than the sl equivalent is that the bristles hold their shape better so they do not splay as much. This means that more of the bristle head is in contact with the glass so it scrubs better.

Alex alluded to this when he said the xline outer bristles are shorter. It is not rocket science. Generally the more the bristles splay the less effectively they scrub.

This is why a 0 degree brush scrubs the best but does not clean well in corners or the top edge. Some splay is beneficial but IMO most brushes splay too much. Extra splay makes the brush feel nice on the glass and everyone thinks "Oh what a lovely brush". But unless you regularly check the windows afterwards,  people fail to notice the brush does not actually clean that well.

[NWH]

The Xline IMO is to much weight day in day out,it's fine for the first half of the day but after that it is noticeable the extra weight that is. It's difficult to get that amount of bristles on an extreme stock that's why there isn't one for sale to pack that amount of bristles into a brush that extreme stock is not thick enough even more would fall out,I'm sure that's been attempted.

[NWH]

Weight is not an issue lol if I wanted a brush that cleaned well there wouldn't be an issue there's loads out there that do that,for the majority weight is the only issue.

[windowswashed]

I think the simple reason the xline mono is better than the sl equivalent is that the bristles hold their shape better so they do not splay as much. This means that more of the bristle head is in contact with the glass so it scrubs better.

Alex alluded to this when he said the xline outer bristles are shorter. It is not rocket science. Generally the more the bristles splay the less effectively they scrub.

This is why a 0 degree brush scrubs the best but does not clean well in corners or the top edge. Some splay is beneficial but IMO most brushes splay too much. Extra splay makes the brush feel nice on the glass and everyone thinks "Oh what a lovely brush". But unless you regularly check the windows afterwards,  people fail to notice the brush does not actually clean that well.

Well put 

[Stephen Fox]

The facelift neon and the X-line are the same brushes (virtually) they come from the same factory and use the same base stock. I imagine that facelift have reduced the bristle count slightly compared to the X-Line to reduce the weight by the extra 7g.

Actually Alex  this is untrue,  they are not the same brushes at all. The NeoN is a lot lighter the '7g' as you have commented, I think it's more like 15% lighter. I haven't an Xline brush at hand to compare so going on stated weights from the Xline website.

The aim of the NeoN was creating the ultimate lightweight brush that outperforms (and outlasts) the 'toothbrush' style brushes on the market. We saw a need for a truely superior maintenance clean brush, as what is currently available seems to be lacking. We've invested in a higher grade bristle which we hope to outlast the standard bristle found on most wfp brushes.  Time will tell of course, but we are quitely confident especially with the current feedback we are getting.

[dazmond]

The Xline IMO is to much weight day in day out,it's fine for the first half of the day but after that it is noticeable the extra weight that is. It's difficult to get that amount of bristles on an extreme stock that's why there isn't one for sale to pack that amount of bristles into a brush that extreme stock is not thick enough even more would fall out,I'm sure that's been attempted.

i thought the xline mono evolite was heavy at first but ive got used to it now.i think the reason why it scrubs so well and keeps its shape better is the bristles are shorter(both inner and out)than a standard SL brush.also they have more bristle density.

im looking forward to trying  the new gardiner ultimate brushes out though when their for sale as they sound a good compromise between the extreme and SL.if they scrub more like a SL with a similar weight to an extreme and keep their shape a bit better they could be a winner.

[NWH]

Well it's coming soon coming soon coming soon lol

[NBwcs]

"The aim of the NeoN was creating the ultimate lightweight brush that outperforms (and outlasts) the 'toothbrush' style brushes on the market. We saw a need for a truely superior maintenance clean brush, as what is currently available seems to be lacking. We've invested in a higher grade bristle which we hope to outlast the standard bristle found on most wfp brushes.  Time will tell of course, but we are quitely confident especially with the current feedback we are getting"

Hi Stephen. did a search for a Neon sill brush and didnt come up with anything, is there such a beast? If not, any plans for one?

[Stephen Fox]

Nick,  maybe in the future. With the Neon we were aiming for the user who wants the lightest possible without scrimping on cleaning (splay, longevity, performance, etc) I think the Neon hits that sweet spot. Cutting down the stock size, bristles, etc would be a compromise.  Sill brushes in general tend to be heavier across the board for them to be any good,  Definitely something to think about going forward.

[KS Cleaning]

The facelift neon and the X-line are the same brushes (virtually) they come from the same factory and use the same base stock. I imagine that facelift have reduced the bristle count slightly compared to the X-Line to reduce the weight by the extra 7g.

Actually Alex  this is untrue,  they are not the same brushes at all. The NeoN is a lot lighter the '7g' as you have commented, I think it's more like 15% lighter. I haven't an Xline brush at hand to compare so going on stated weights from the Xline website.

The aim of the NeoN was creating the ultimate lightweight brush that outperforms (and outlasts) the 'toothbrush' style brushes on the market. We saw a need for a truely superior maintenance clean brush, as what is currently available seems to be lacking. We've invested in a higher grade bristle which we hope to outlast the standard bristle found on most wfp brushes.  Time will tell of course, but we are quitely confident especially with the current feedback we are getting.

Do you have these brushes in stock yet Stephen as I might give them a try?

[chris turner]

Nick,  maybe in the future. With the Neon we were aiming for the user who wants the lightest possible without scrimping on cleaning (splay, longevity, performance, etc) I think the Neon hits that sweet spot. Cutting down the stock size, bristles, etc would be a compromise.  Sill brushes in general tend to be heavier across the board for them to be any good,  Definitely something to think about going forward.

Ohh sounds interesting. Neon or ultimate for my next brush...

[Stephen Fox]

KS, yes we have...

http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/FPNEON.html

[KS Cleaning]

KS, yes we have...

http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/FPNEON.html

Thanks, al order a couple in the next day or two.

[dazmond]

Nick,  maybe in the future. With the Neon we were aiming for the user who wants the lightest possible without scrimping on cleaning (splay, longevity, performance, etc) I think the Neon hits that sweet spot. Cutting down the stock size, bristles, etc would be a compromise.  Sill brushes in general tend to be heavier across the board for them to be any good,  Definitely something to think about going forward.

Ohh sounds interesting. Neon or ultimate for my next brush...

the neon is heavier and more expensive than the ultimate will be though.

[Alex Gardiner]

cant wait untill the ultimate comes out but ive heard good reviews too about the new facelift neon on the facebook pages and it sounds comparable to the supremes in weight.
it looks the same as the xline too and wcw brushes, i wonder if theyre made by the same manufacturer?

Thanks for the feedback.

The facelift neon and the X-line are the same brushes (virtually) they come from the same factory and use the same base stock. I imagine that facelift have reduced the bristle count slightly compared to the X-Line to reduce the weight by the extra 7g.

Interestingly both these firms now use our  UK manufacturing factory that we have been using for Gardiner brushes for the last 7 years or so. So their stock material, bristle material and bristle fastening is now the same as Gardiner brushes always have been 

Apologies it would appear that I had based the neon weight saving figure on a previously quoted weight.  For the sake of complete accuracy, the actual weight saving of the neon over the xline is (according to newly published figures last night) 13g not the 7g I had mentioned.

[NWH]

I have just ordered a neon so I will report back,it's true what someone said just because it has a good splay it cleans better that is perfectly correct. Just because it does this it makes no difference to the clean,I've used brushes with maximum And  medium splay and they can still leave the Windows badly cleaned the brush should only splay or fold flat with a bit of effort from the person poling by pushing on the brush,nearly all brushes available at the moment just fold flat like a wet cloth.

[lee_dewing]

Thanks for your help Alex.

Will make this brush for f/s/g and Connie roof cleans, new soft brush will be more aware I'm right handed but left side is curled, will watch technique.

Dd yep your right meant 0 degree superlite medium mixed.

[NWH]

It is down to being right or left handed but not all brushes do this not in a matter of weeks anyway,I've had them ages in some makes before they start to curl even with hot water.

[Stephen Fox]

Apologies it would appear that I had based the neon weight saving figure on a previously quoted weight.  For the sake of complete accuracy, the actual weight saving of the neon over the xline is (according to newly published figures last night) 13g not the 7g I had mentioned.

Unfortunately Alex this is also wrong. I am guessing you are basing your numbers on Xline website weight which is bare brush, I believe, at 220g's? If this is the case the Neon weighs 185g's bare - so as you can see it's quite a difference.

[Alex Gardiner]

Apologies it would appear that I had based the neon weight saving figure on a previously quoted weight.  For the sake of complete accuracy, the actual weight saving of the neon over the xline is (according to newly published figures last night) 13g not the 7g I had mentioned.

Unfortunately Alex this is also wrong. I am guessing you are basing your numbers on Xline website weight which is bare brush, I believe, at 220g's? If this is the case the Neon weighs 185g's bare - so as you can see it's quite a difference.

It was based on both website's published figures. In this case there is a good difference in weight between the neon and the xline, despite using the same stock - well done.