[Alex Gardiner]

Xline bristles the same are they mmmmm I couldn't obviously prove it but If I had to give my opinion I would say they are not the same,the orange bristles are almost silky in feel and appearance they do not look or feel the same to me at all.

Thanks for you opinion NWH 

Perhaps it's the orange colour throwing you off!

They are exactly the same material as our white, black and red mono-filament material - they all have the same glossy finish and also are the same material according to the tech specs given to me by the manufacturer. Of course there are different sizes of diameter which do affect the feel along with the length of bristles used in a brush which changes the feel.

alex we have stopped using your brushes because we found that they fall to bits and go out of shape much quicker for us this is doing your  like 4 like in your last post , why is that ?

again in your own words " not as many bristles to save weight " do you think you have took to many out of your sill brushes for this very reason ?  MAYBE  you have took to many out ? I would love to go back on your your brushes but I would like them to last longer

Hi Susan

With regard to our Sill brushes, compared to other traditional Sill brushes they do have a lot less bristles (and about half the weight). Because of this if used with the same technique as the heavier brushes, the bristles may not last as long due to impacting with window reveals etc.

The solution is to go for a heavier Sill brush if the robustness is of greatest concern or the lighter Gardiner Sill brushes if the brush matches the technique needed.

I have just received an email from a long-term client who would repeatedly have premature side wear on our lightweight brushes. Over a period of time we discussed that the 'wear' was actually from over-enthusiastic contact between the brush and brick and masonry reveals. After adjusting his technique he now finds that the same brushes no longer suffer from premature wear. Same lightweight brush, same work, different technique.

If the brushes are in the hands of staff, then the more robust (albeit heavier) option may be the better choice.

We do have a radical new Sill brush design which has just been tooled, which is different again to anything currently on the market - this may prove better able to adsorb the side wear that often causes early bristle failure whilst still be of a lightweight design. Perhaps this will better suit your Sill brush needs when it arrives - it would be good to win you back 

[Alex Gardiner]

Got to feel sorry for the Gardiners girls - i've got a headache already. Maybe I need a compact ultimate brush or was it a superlight extreme brush? Where's my pills?

 

I do get a lot of 'comments' from the staff about number of brush types, although mainly from the warehouse team. We now have a complete new warehouse just for brush assembly and storage.

There is a new video planned to help simplify the choice process.

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

Xline bristles the same are they mmmmm I couldn't obviously prove it but If I had to give my opinion I would say they are not the same,the orange bristles are almost silky in feel and appearance they do not look or feel the same to me at all.

Thanks for you opinion NWH 

Perhaps it's the orange colour throwing you off!

They are exactly the same material as our white, black and red mono-filament material - they all have the same glossy finish and also are the same material according to the tech specs given to me by the manufacturer. Of course there are different sizes of diameter which do affect the feel along with the length of bristles used in a brush which changes the feel.

alex we have stopped using your brushes because we found that they fall to bits and go out of shape much quicker for us this is doing your  like 4 like in your last post , why is that ?

again in your own words " not as many bristles to save weight " do you think you have took to many out of your sill brushes for this very reason ?  MAYBE  you have took to many out ? I would love to go back on your your brushes but I would like them to last longer

Hi Susan

With regard to our Sill brushes, compared to other traditional Sill brushes they do have a lot less bristles (and about half the weight). Because of this if used with the same technique as the heavier brushes, the bristles may not last as long due to impacting with window reveals etc.

The solution is to go for a heavier Sill brush if the robustness is of greatest concern or the lighter Gardiner Sill brushes if the brush matches the technique needed.

I have just received an email from a long-term client who would repeatedly have premature side wear on our lightweight brushes. Over a period of time we discussed that the 'wear' was actually from over-enthusiastic contact between the brush and brick and masonry reveals. After adjusting his technique he now finds that the same brushes no longer suffer from premature wear. Same lightweight brush, same work, different technique.

If the brushes are in the hands of staff, then the more robust (albeit heavier) option may be the better choice.

We do have a radical new Sill brush design which has just been tooled, which is different again to anything currently on the market - this may prove better able to adsorb the side wear that often causes early bristle failure whilst still be of a lightweight design. Perhaps this will better suit your Sill brush needs when ti arrives - it would be good to win you back 

yes your . right , the staff are hard on them , however the customers like the way we clean and get all the frames clean we could try and change the way staff clean but as you well know once you do this it opens the door to bad habits 

all ready looking forward to the new sill brush and I will buy one as soon as it comes to market

thanks for the reply all ways good to hear theres a new sill brush comeing to market that will last longer and not weigh a lot 

[chris turner]

Xline bristles the same are they mmmmm I couldn't obviously prove it but If I had to give my opinion I would say they are not the same,the orange bristles are almost silky in feel and appearance they do not look or feel the same to me at all.

Thanks for you opinion NWH 

Perhaps it's the orange colour throwing you off!

They are exactly the same material as our white, black and red mono-filament material - they all have the same glossy finish and also are the same material according to the tech specs given to me by the manufacturer. Of course there are different sizes of diameter which do affect the feel along with the length of bristles used in a brush which changes the feel.

alex we have stopped using your brushes because we found that they fall to bits and go out of shape much quicker for us this is doing your  like 4 like in your last post , why is that ?

again in your own words " not as many bristles to save weight " do you think you have took to many out of your sill brushes for this very reason ?  MAYBE  you have took to many out ? I would love to go back on your your brushes but I would like them to last longer

Hi Susan

With regard to our Sill brushes, compared to other traditional Sill brushes they do have a lot less bristles (and about half the weight). Because of this if used with the same technique as the heavier brushes, the bristles may not last as long due to impacting with window reveals etc.

The solution is to go for a heavier Sill brush if the robustness is of greatest concern or the lighter Gardiner Sill brushes if the brush matches the technique needed.

I have just received an email from a long-term client who would repeatedly have premature side wear on our lightweight brushes. Over a period of time we discussed that the 'wear' was actually from over-enthusiastic contact between the brush and brick and masonry reveals. After adjusting his technique he now finds that the same brushes no longer suffer from premature wear. Same lightweight brush, same work, different technique.

If the brushes are in the hands of staff, then the more robust (albeit heavier) option may be the better choice.

We do have a radical new Sill brush design which has just been tooled, which is different again to anything currently on the market - this may prove better able to adsorb the side wear that often causes early bristle failure whilst still be of a lightweight design. Perhaps this will better suit your Sill brush needs when ti arrives - it would be good to win you back 

The new sill brush sounds interesting.
I have an xline sill brush on my gutter/fascia/conservatory cleaning pole. Whilst it is an absolute beast at getting through dirt, it has the feel of vikan sill brush, weighty and bulky.

I use to be an avid fan of your brushes Alex, they just weren't cut out for the brutality I inflicted upon them lol. At one point I was going through a new sill brush every 6-8 weeks.
Even the super lights I could only get 10 weeks Max before they were deformed. Supremes were were similar to sill brushes.

How is it my xline still looks near mint after over 3 months continuous use if they are made of the same stuff as super lights? Is it purely bristle density?

[Alex Gardiner]

The new sill brush sounds interesting.
I have an xline sill brush on my gutter/fascia/conservatory cleaning pole. Whilst it is an absolute beast at getting through dirt, it has the feel of vikan sill brush, weighty and bulky.

I use to be an avid fan of your brushes Alex, they just weren't cut out for the brutality I inflicted upon them lol. At one point I was going through a new sill brush every 6-8 weeks.
Even the super lights I could only get 10 weeks Max before they were deformed. Supremes were were similar to sill brushes.

How is it my xline still looks near mint after over 3 months continuous use if they are made of the same stuff as super lights? Is it purely bristle density?

Everyone does have different techniques and needs from a brush  The point is choose what works best for you.

I think reading your explanation of working approach, that the reason the xline brush is still in shape is probably down to the shorter length of the bristles compared to the Super-Lite bristle length. The shorter a bristle is the more stiff and solid it will feel also as they will not splay out as far (especially on the sides) as the Super-Lite they will tend to come into less contact with the more abrasive masonry reveals etc. That would be my reckoning on this.

[ben M]

for me supremes are the ideal brush as i always found superlites scrubbed well but too much weight and extremes were brilliant for the lightness but i always felt like i wasnt cleaning the windows as good as the superlite, when the supreme came out especially the soft and flocked version i absolutely loved the way it spread on the window and having a curved smaller stock helped the way i wipe across the sills along with the way the bristles stick out at an angle.
ive got 2 supremes from when you did the brush deal when you first released them Alex and theyve still got loads of life in,even using the warm water with them.
cant wait for the ultimate to be released now, do you have any sneaky pics of them Alex

+1

[chris turner]

The new sill brush sounds interesting.
I have an xline sill brush on my gutter/fascia/conservatory cleaning pole. Whilst it is an absolute beast at getting through dirt, it has the feel of vikan sill brush, weighty and bulky.

I use to be an avid fan of your brushes Alex, they just weren't cut out for the brutality I inflicted upon them lol. At one point I was going through a new sill brush every 6-8 weeks.
Even the super lights I could only get 10 weeks Max before they were deformed. Supremes were were similar to sill brushes.

How is it my xline still looks near mint after over 3 months continuous use if they are made of the same stuff as super lights? Is it purely bristle density?

Everyone does have different techniques and needs from a brush  The point is choose what works best for you.

I think reading your explanation of working approach, that the reason the xline brush is still in shape is probably down to the shorter length of the bristles compared to the Super-Lite bristle length. The shorter a bristle is the more stiff and solid it will feel also as they will not splay out as far (especially on the sides) as the Super-Lite they will tend to come into less contact with the more abrasive masonry reveals etc. That would be I disagreeessment.

I suppose for my particular style there's no middle ground. I want a brush that splays well but has the robustness to hold its shape for at least 12 weeks use. The xline is the closest thing iv found so far.

There was a brush I tested for you a while ago Alex, it was an absolute dream to use. It was a new sill prototype. I destroyed it in a few weeks lol but if it held its shape longer it would of been my perfect brush.

I will definitely give your new brushes a try when there released. The ultimate looks interesting, I'm due to order a few bits soon so will hang on for that.

[Dave Willis]

One thing the Xline brush does have is three rows of outside bristles and more bristles at the ends where you need them. The Gardiners brushes I've used if my memory serves me right only have two outside rows and a single outside row at the ends. Whether there is any difference in the total number of bristles in the stock - I haven't got a clue. I'm wondering if it's simply the density of bristles that for me at least makes it more appealing. I can't really put my finger on the difference. (although I do like the orange and black colour)  After all the stock is a bit too big, fan jets nothing special so they say and if they ever go VAT registered then they will be too expensive anyway.

[NWH]

The proof will be in the using of it that's the acid test,I have brushes and have used brushes that look like nothing more than the incredible hulks toothbrush but they are brilliant to clean with. As for sill brushes I really can't see it and good WFPoler should be able to do sills without damaging sills etc with a good technique sill brushes IMO are awkward to use. I think most people will find that the window needs to be good to look out of ie clean,having clean sills to a point you need a brush for it IMO is overkill although I would expect people that sell them love people who buy them. Alex must be a multi millionaire by now or there's something wrong lol   

[P @ F]

He cant be , i hear he still cleans his own windows !!!

[NWH]

Lol I'm thinking of getting a warehouse and filling it full of poles brushes and every component to do with this business just for the fun of it too lol,no need for dragons den here his competition is him. If you were to have been in outer space for 10 years and landed back on earth and googled WFP you would think you were seeing the same stuff for sale by everyone else that supplies WFP equipment including so called big players like ionic and even they have tried to steal the lateral clamp idea. Is there a pole or anything else you'd buy from another supplier on quality alone I wouldn't.

[NWH]

For my last post Alex I would like an Extreme in every size please including all the new higer pole versions all with hot hose lol lol 😂😂😂😂😂

[P @ F]

NWH , funny you should mention the museum bit , i just went to the shed and found this little red bristled beauty , bought 2 of them many moons ago , this is the only survivor , the first was going great guns when i stupidly stowed the pole on the roof of the van to go and collect , when i came back some scrote had robbed the lot , just cut the hose at the pole base where i wedged it in the locked door !
Now those bristles were top dollar , im too affraid to use this one as hes like a brother to me !!!

But just to add to that , my second pic is my 10 month old extreme used every day without fail .........wait ......i only do 4 hours a day so you could say its only seen 5 months on the glass , but come on that aint bad goin for the return its given me is it ?
Plenty of life left in it too , wonder what i could get on Ebay !!!

Rich

[Mike #1]

for me supremes are the ideal brush as i always found superlites scrubbed well but too much weight and extremes were brilliant for the lightness but i always felt like i wasnt cleaning the windows as good as the superlite, when the supreme came out especially the soft and flocked version i absolutely loved the way it spread on the window and having a curved smaller stock helped the way i wipe across the sills along with the way the bristles stick out at an angle.
ive got 2 supremes from when you did the brush deal when you first released them Alex and theyve still got loads of life in,even using the warm water with them.
cant wait for the ultimate to be released now, do you have any sneaky pics of them Alex

Glad you like them. The Supreme brushes do appeal very strongly to a certain segment of the market (myself included). Although I do switch back to an Xtreme every so often as they are so light.

Here is a sneaky photo of the new Ultimate:

Could very well be my perfect brush , I said a while back a lighter brush similar to the S/L would be ideal as it would protect the brush ends far better for those that catch window reveals .

[lee_dewing]

Alex.

Bought one of your sumpreme soft hybrid brushes 2 months ago and sad to see one side brush curled.

Maybe I'm too heavy handed, just received my order of medium mixed supreme 0 degree just used today. 1st impression, very good.

Also got another supreme soft hybrid but will only use for odd delicate leads.

Too much choice😁

[NWH]

All the extremes I have all curl up on one side and even when dipped in boiling water them still curl up again,the worst culprit for this is the medium mixed version of the black and white one.

[dd]

Alex.

Bought one of your sumpreme soft hybrid brushes 2 months ago and sad to see one side brush curled.

Maybe I'm too heavy handed, just received my order of medium mixed supreme 0 degree just used today. 1st impression, very good.

Also got another supreme soft hybrid but will only use for odd delicate leads.

Too much choice😁

Correct me if wrong but I cannot find a 0 degree supreme.

[windowswashed]

I rarely use gardiners brushes as the bristles fall out so quickly. The brushes take a lot of elbow grease to remove stubborn marks, bird poop. etc. The worst ones are the ultimate bush (the last one they brought out). I rarely use them anymore as they are hard work and there are other suppliers with better quality and better scrubbing power brushes. This feedback maybe negative but I'm just telling it as it is. Their poles are in a league of their own, especially the extreme range. Postal service and customer service is extremely good and can't fault it. Just wish their brushes were better.

[robbo333]

Unfortunately, due to elbow problems, I am limited to Xtreme brushes for anything above ground floor.  I even tried the supreme and that was still a tad heavy. I think that for the weight, the Xtreme is a very clever designed brush and I am quite happy with it but I would be happy to try any other manufacturers' brush, if only they were light enough.

[NWH]

I'm looking forward to trying the new ones they look like a mini version of the standard brushes,I did say if he wanted to know if there any good let me try em the work I do has nearly every combination of window possible lol. What did make me laugh was seeing a wagga video of him getting his SLX  pole must have been a freebie he still uses Harris poles,he didn't seem that impressed but when he tried a constuctor brush he nearly wet himself with joy 😂😂😂😂