[NWH]

I've used extremes this last few weeks and the results have been not good,I did another today and as I was going a looked at a particular window and it looked awful barely scratched the surface of the dirt I had to go back and do quiet a few again. I don't know what's been in the wind but it's not like the normal dirt you get on the glass

[windowswashed]

When I'm choosing a brush, the most important factor is which brush scrubs the best with minimal effort, if it bounces across leaded windows in either direction, then weight, then last of all how long I can use it before it falls to bits.
Also, gardiners jets are fitted too close together if using four jets, they need to be spaced out more equally. My favourite brush is the newish one that streamline brought out a few months ago as the bristles are brilliant for scrubbing, the jets are equally spaced out, the jets can be fitted or removed in seconds and the build quality is far superior. IMO it is better than xlines brush that everyone raves about hence why xlines brush is my second choice and gardiners comes fourth after tucker brushes.

[SeanK]

Unfortunately, due to elbow problems, I am limited to Xtreme brushes for anything above ground floor.  I even tried the supreme and that was still a tad heavy. I think that for the weight, the Xtreme is a very clever designed brush and I am quite happy with it but I would be happy to try any other manufacturers' brush, if only they were light enough.

That's the problem robbo more bristles mean more weight and there's no getting away from that, I have a box of different
brushes siting in my garage all around the same weight ( heavy ) and there's no difference in any of them.
The thing is 95% of what we get on the glass takes very little effort to remove for the other 5% ( bird poop and similar ) then a heavier brush would be an advantage, but why work all day with a brick just to remove the odd stubborn mark slightly quicker
its no different to working all day with a 30ft pole because you have one property on your round that needs it.

[Alex Gardiner]

Alex.

Bought one of your sumpreme soft hybrid brushes 2 months ago and sad to see one side brush curled.

Maybe I'm too heavy handed, just received my order of medium mixed supreme 0 degree just used today. 1st impression, very good.

Also got another supreme soft hybrid but will only use for odd delicate leads.

Too much choice😁

The Supreme Soft is a very soft and wide splaying brush. Because of this it can abrade against window reveals very easily - you will find that the medium version is more resistant to this in general use.

As a general rule if a brush has bristles that start to deform or curl on just one side of the brush this means that the effect of being left or right handed is making that side of the brush come into more abrasive contact with the side of the window compared to the other side. If you are right handed it will usually be on the right hand side of the brush, if you are left handed it will be the left.

The way to prevent this is to slightly modify your technique so that you are aware of the extra pressure being added in this direction and try and keep the force even across the brush especially when cleaning the edges. It may seem a simple thing, but many clients have had this happen and have then slightly modified their use of the brush and found that one side no longer wears out quicker than the other.  Such techniques are more important on very lightweight or soft bristled brushes.

There is a lot of choice, but many of them can be quickly discounted by most users for general use. As a general rule most work will need a medium brush (unless using hot), then the weight or splay pattern will dictate the exact choice. Most window cleaners could actually clean with most brushes - your own likes and dislikes quickly tell you which ones you prefer.

[Alex Gardiner]

With regard to the comments about the scrubbing power of the Xtreme brushes. Understandably due to their lightweight they will not always scrub as well on stubborn marks as a denser heavier brush. What many of our clients now use is a Super-Scraper with abrasive pads fitted on to their gooseneck. This allows them to keep weight to a minimum all day and then simply twist the pole around to quickly shift a stubborn mark that even the heaviest of brushes would struggle with. Doesn't suit every user, but is a very popular item.

http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/brushes/brush-head-attachments/the-new-super-scraper-trade.html

[chris turner]

I've used extremes this last few weeks and the results have been not good,I did another today and as I was going a looked at a particular window and it looked awful barely scratched the surface of the dirt I had to go back and do quiet a few again. I don't know what's been in the wind but it's not like the normal dirt you get on the glass

Iv noticed this the last couple of days. There seems to be a residue on alot of windows at the moment that's very difficult to remove. It just spreads around the glass, no matter how much you scrub.
It's even on my own windows, lots of little specks, almost greasy like.

[Dave Willis]

What, like this? My kitchen window - I can't see out!

[Dave Willis]

NWH why on earth are you using Xtremes when for the last couple of months you've been saying how bad you think they are. Are you masochistic or something?
At the moment I'm using Xline - not because Gardiners brushes are bad, simply because it suits me better. In eight years of using Gardiners brushes I don't think I've ever worn one out with cold water. My sill brushes look rough because they are rammed up into gutter clips on cleans.

[chris turner]

What, like this? My kitchen window - I can't see out!

Looks exactly like my kitchen window
And it was only cleaned a couple of weeks ago!

[NWH]

I use the extremes all the time if I think they will do the job on particular Windows and they usually do,the Xline is a better cleaning brush is it scrubs better but it's to heavy to use alday long,I know that bit about being right handed but it is only noticeable on the extreme brushes with the bristles curling due to there being lack of them. The way Windows are at the moment they don't get the Windows clean so I'm gonna have to suffer the weight till the weather changes,I meant to buy a couple of those other brushes from streamline I might have a look

[NBwcs]

"We do have a radical new Sill brush design which has just been tooled, which is different again to anything currently on the market - this may prove better able to adsorb the side wear that often causes early bristle failure whilst still be of a lightweight design. Perhaps this will better suit your Sill brush needs when it arrives - it would be good to win you back  "

Whens this one likely to be available? Have to say your present sill brushes are not in the same league as the xline, although i dont like paying xlines prices. Would definately give your new sill brush a trial.

[Alex Gardiner]

"We do have a radical new Sill brush design which has just been tooled, which is different again to anything currently on the market - this may prove better able to adsorb the side wear that often causes early bristle failure whilst still be of a lightweight design. Perhaps this will better suit your Sill brush needs when it arrives - it would be good to win you back  "

Whens this one likely to be available? Have to say your present sill brushes are not in the same league as the xline, although i dont like paying xlines prices. Would definately give your new sill brush a trial.

They are about 2 months away as we still awaiting some tweaks to the bristle-punching machine as it is a much more complex process to manufacture them.

I think that most of our clients are glad that our Sill brushes are not in the same 'league' as the xline sill brush. If they were in the same league we would probably lose a lot of sales as the xline sill brushes are over 50% heavier than the Gardiner sill brushes.

[NWH]

I would never say the Xline brush is a weight I like to use alday it's not,as far as cleaning goes it's does a good job but like I say it's still to heavy.

[dd]

"We do have a radical new Sill brush design which has just been tooled, which is different again to anything currently on the market - this may prove better able to adsorb the side wear that often causes early bristle failure whilst still be of a lightweight design. Perhaps this will better suit your Sill brush needs when it arrives - it would be good to win you back  "

Whens this one likely to be available? Have to say your present sill brushes are not in the same league as the xline, although i dont like paying xlines prices. Would definately give your new sill brush a trial.

The rectangular xline is about the same price as the sl. The xline sill brush is  notably bigger than the gardiner sill brush so is understandably more expensive. Xline sill is too heavy for regular use IMO.

[NWH]

I wouldn't even include that Xline sill brush in the equation it far to heavy like the old Vikan truck cleaning brush coz that's all they are,if I had to go for an all round brush it would be the ionic standard brush purely because it works on nearly all Windows and keeps it shape for longer with hot water.

[dd]

I wouldn't even include that Xline sill brush in the equation it far to heavy like the old Vikan truck cleaning brush coz that's all they are,if I had to go for an all round brush it would be the ionic standard brush purely because it works on nearly all Windows and keeps it shape for longer with hot water.

Xline sill brush is a notably lighter than the vikan sill and is an OK brush for the occasional job where it gives an advantage. No way would I use it regularly though.

[windowswashed]

I took an electric sander to my xline and reduced the weight down considerably as the stock is way too thick adding too much unneccesssary weight.  I always reduce the weight of any brush down to the bare minimum whenever possible as it makes sense to reduce the weight.

[kempy]

Everyone preferes  different brushes and want different characteristics from their brush .,

I use X-line mono
I have a X-line Cill and it is very heavy .
I use black gardiners soft brush as well .
And White Extreame Gardiners
Red aerial Tecbuk
I don't see the obsession with lightness , it does need to be relatively light , but not too light .

The new Neon looks massively Threadbare on a picture I saw on Facebook .

[chris turner]

Everyone preferes  different brushes and want different characteristics from their brush .,

I use X-line mono
I have a X-line Cill and it is very heavy .
I use black gardiners soft brush as well .
And White Extreame Gardiners
Red aerial Tecbuk
I don't see the obsession with lightness , it does need to be relatively light , but not too light .

The new Neon looks massively Threadbare on a picture I saw on Facebook .

Agreed kempy, unless you have some sort of health issue then brushes don't need to weigh nothing. The xline mono is fine in daily use for a fit and healthy adult.
The reality is I don't think they'll ever be a 'perfect' brush, that weighs nothing yet has alot of bristles and lasts months, years even.
The best of Gardiner's brushes are light but lack bristle density and longevity.
The best of xline are heavier but great for scrubbing and very long lasting.

Perhaps the ultimate brush from Gardiner's could be the first to hit the 'sweetspot' of lightness, scrubbing power, robustness and longevity.

The tecbuk came close but after 'banana gate' they lost some credibility. Plus they were to small for my liking and the customer service was abysmal.

[NWH]

I would take a circular saw to that brush not a sander.