[Alex Gardiner]

I'd like to know what particular brush your comparing it with in the range,I have the vast majority of them to compared it to. The only one that looks anything like it in glossy bristles is the black flocked version,there has not been a Gardiner brush I've used that's the same as the orange Xline.

Below is a photo showing the xline bristles against the white bristles used in our current Super-Lites, Supremes, Xtremes, Sills and the new Ultimate and Super-Lite Compact (pictured). Exactly the same level of gloss and the same surface feel.



Of course the shiny feel will wear off of any bristles given 6-12 months of use and exposure to UV light over time.

[Dave Willis]

I think the Xlines are very similar to the Superlights. The main difference I feel is that the Xline has less difference in bristle length between the inner and outer rows - they've accidentally produced a brush that works very well. In my opinion brushes should be squared off at the ends to match the windows. For me the Supremes are oversplayed and the wrong shape. I'm amazed Xtremes do anything at all their bristle count is so sparse but they do. Wasn't that long a go  we were using Bentley brushes

PS what's a Superlight Compact?

[NWH]

Fair enough where the picture is concerned but they definitely do not clean the same IMO,the Xline all be it a good brush as well as the Gardiner is still to heavy. I don't think there is an argument for the supreme brushes some on here have said they like them I do not,those same people have also said they can't tell the difference between an extreme brush and a standard superlite so I don't think I'll be listening to them anytime soon eh.

[8weekly]

I easily get 6 months out of an Xtreme. When the top corners start to go I just turn the quiklok stock around. They do look a bit shabby quite quickly, but they still work fine - even on my work which you might guess is 8 weekly. I'll switch to something heavier for first cleans only.

[Alex Gardiner]

I think the Xlines are very similar to the Superlights. The main difference I feel is that the Xline has less difference in bristle length between the inner and outer rows - they've accidentally produced a brush that works very well. In my opinion brushes should be squared off at the ends to match the windows. For me the Supremes are oversplayed and the wrong shape. I'm amazed Xtremes do anything at all their bristle count is so sparse but they do. Wasn't that long a go  we were using Bentley brushes

PS what's a Superlight Compact?

New brush coming in about 6 weeks time - based on the Super-Lite but slightly lighter (-40g) with shorter bristles to give a more direct feel on the glass. The dual-trim on it is also less pronounced which some clients prefer. http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/brushes/super-lite-window-cleaning-brushes-245g-270g/super-lite-compact-brush-coming-soon.html

[NWH]

Extremes are lovely and light but just go and find me one for leads,there is so much chat about brushes and that's all well and good but I've yet to find a similar brush for lead light Windows. I'm using a brush is extreme which is the very 1st version it's the only extreme a good for leads or oldish leads anyway,yeah other brushes work if you tilt them in use and use half the brush at a time. Hell of a lot of bouncers out there jumping around on the glass like they've been cattle prodded.

[Dave Willis]

Any chance of a picture looking into the bristles Alex?  Could be my next fav brush.

[Alex Gardiner]

Fair enough where the picture is concerned but they definitely do not clean the same IMO,the Xline all be it a good brush as well as the Gardiner is still to heavy. I don't think there is an argument for the supreme brushes some on here have said they like them I do not,those same people have also said they can't tell the difference between an extreme brush and a standard superlite so I don't think I'll be listening to them anytime soon eh.

I agree there is more to a brush than its glossy bristle feel - the design, layout, density, diameter and length of bristles all make a difference to the way the brush works on the glass. This does allow for great variety, which is good as there are many different preferences in window cleaners.

I would agree that the Supreme brushes are definitely not for you and I wouldn't recommend that you use one. I know from our past communications that you prefer a much more compact splay, in fact virtually no splay, to suit the high proportion of historic, leaded and sash windows that you clean on your rounds. I would say that probably no-one else has the same window types in the volumes that you encounter in your work.

Personally I think that the new Super-Lite Compact or even the Ultimate would be better suited your work than a standard Super-Lite or a Supreme. I have a feeling that the Super-Lite compact will gradually replace the zero degree Super-Lite brushes from our range.

[NWH]

Stick those orange bristles on an extreme brush stock and there's your brush lol

[mufcglen]

for me supremes are the ideal brush as i always found superlites scrubbed well but too much weight and extremes were brilliant for the lightness but i always felt like i wasnt cleaning the windows as good as the superlite, when the supreme came out especially the soft and flocked version i absolutely loved the way it spread on the window and having a curved smaller stock helped the way i wipe across the sills along with the way the bristles stick out at an angle.
ive got 2 supremes from when you did the brush deal when you first released them Alex and theyve still got loads of life in,even using the warm water with them.
cant wait for the ultimate to be released now, do you have any sneaky pics of them Alex

[Alex Gardiner]

Any chance of a picture looking into the bristles Alex?  Could be my next fav brush.

Here we go....

[Dave Willis]

Cheers 

[mufcglen]

that looks very similar to xline to me pal just like you said, i preferred the fact you have extra holes for additional jets if needed, xline didnt have that on the one i bought.
i like to have both fans and pencils fitted depending what mood im in or day of the week it is

[mufcglen]

how long for the ultimate release Alex?

[ben M]

http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/brushes/super-lite-window-cleaning-brushes-245g-270g/super-lite-compact-brush-coming-soon.html

coming soon been waiting for ages!

[Alex Gardiner]

for me supremes are the ideal brush as i always found superlites scrubbed well but too much weight and extremes were brilliant for the lightness but i always felt like i wasnt cleaning the windows as good as the superlite, when the supreme came out especially the soft and flocked version i absolutely loved the way it spread on the window and having a curved smaller stock helped the way i wipe across the sills along with the way the bristles stick out at an angle.
ive got 2 supremes from when you did the brush deal when you first released them Alex and theyve still got loads of life in,even using the warm water with them.
cant wait for the ultimate to be released now, do you have any sneaky pics of them Alex

Glad you like them. The Supreme brushes do appeal very strongly to a certain segment of the market (myself included). Although I do switch back to an Xtreme every so often as they are so light.

Here is a sneaky photo of the new Ultimate:

[Alex Gardiner]

how long for the ultimate release Alex?

If it had gone as smoothly as anticipated it would have been January 1st  The trouble is that many different variables out of my control can get in the way of the design/supply process.

I am in final version testing now, with hopefully product on the shelves  early March.

[Dave Willis]

Got to feel sorry for the Gardiners girls - i've got a headache already. Maybe I need a compact ultimate brush or was it a superlight extreme brush? Where's my pills?

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

Xline bristles the same are they mmmmm I couldn't obviously prove it but If I had to give my opinion I would say they are not the same,the orange bristles are almost silky in feel and appearance they do not look or feel the same to me at all.

Thanks for you opinion NWH 

Perhaps it's the orange colour throwing you off!

They are exactly the same material as our white, black and red mono-filament material - they all have the same glossy finish and also are the same material according to the tech specs given to me by the manufacturer. Of course there are different sizes of diameter which do affect the feel along with the length of bristles used in a brush which changes the feel.

alex we have stopped using your brushes because we found that they fall to bits and go out of shape much quicker for us this is doing your  like 4 like in your last post , why is that ?

again in your own words " not as many bristles to save weight " do you think you have took to many out of your sill brushes for this very reason ?  MAYBE  you have took to many out ? I would love to go back on your your brushes but I would like them to last longer

[dd]

Have to say IMO the xline mono is a significantly better brush than the sl medium mixed.

Found the medium hybrid supreme nice to use and seems to do a reasonable job but does not deal well with bird strikes.

The new ultimate brush sounds interesting.

Current favourite brush is the xline - mono and flocked both good.