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Spruce

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Re: hose and reel
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2016, 07:48:15 am »
Hi Rich,

It's honestly nice to see you back and posting. You haven't had a good time health wise lately have you?

We have also used the petal side hose reels successfully for many years now. The first one I bought is now over nine years old and used everyday (I work). It runs freely as I lubricate the shaft and bushes periodically.
The only time I had problems was with a bad batch of hose I fitted that swelled under pressure. Once I ditched that hose and replaced it from another supplier - no more issues.

I recommended a wheeled hose reel due to the number of times a day I take the hose reel out to the furthest point of my clean and then wheel it back, laying hose down as I go.  I find it the easiest and quickest way to get round obstacles in customer's gardens. So Dazmond in my experience this has been a benefit to me on my round. Hence it's my opinion based on my experience.
I always park in the street and only occasionally reverse into a customer's driveway. So pulling hose from a fixed hose reel round the back of a customer's property already has 2 x 90 degreed bends to negotiate.

I would love to have a motorised fixed hose reel in the van but I don't leave the van doors open from a security point of view. I also haven't found a truly satisfactory way or routing the hose through the van floor and out under the bumper. Its a desire that I regularly revisit. I like Jordan King's under floor roller guide system but his under floor components are just too expensive and I can't afford them.

Since I bought my first hose reel I decided to go with minibore. The reasoning behind it was the Williamson pumps advised that they wouldn't honour warranties on Shurflo pumps used on hose less than 1/2".

With 6mm microbore internal bore size being just over half the bore size of minibore, I opted for minibore as I felt the pump wouldn't have to work as hard. (Baring in mind that minibore is less than 1/2 the size of 1/2" hose. So taken to its extreme microbore is about 1/5 the bore size of 1/2" hose).

I don't have the financial ability to experiment with different hose reels and hose and bin them at random like you do Dazmond.

A search through past posts on this forum under hose and hose reels by poster Dazmond will highlight how you highly recommend something one day and then change your mind the next. No offense Daz but:

Thermobore is just one example.
To start off with you recommend it in a number of posts that it is the best thing since sliced bread and then you announce you've binned it.
Anyone following your first advise and purchased 100 meters of Thermobore would feel very let down.

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=182803.msg1557743#msg1557743

Claber hose reels is another.

I have to make an equipment decision based on a calculated judgement and stick with that decision. I struggle to get through 8 only 3 bed semi's a day due to health issues, so I can't just bang out another couple of houses to recoup a bad purchase.

I would love to buy an Extreme pole and looked at it on several occasions but I can't justify the price for what I do. Far enough, I may be able to clean a couple more houses a day and justify the expense; I used the same reasoning when changing from Aluminum poles to CLX and then SLX. I was fitter in those days and was able to justify the expense.
One day maybe I will have no other option if I want to keep going.
 
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Dave Willis

Re: hose and reel
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2016, 07:55:54 am »
This week Daz doesn't like Gardiners brushes. Next week he'll be taking the heater back out, Vision was crap now it's brilliant!
North face Goretex brilliant now it's crap. ;D

Spruce

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Re: hose and reel
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2016, 08:01:18 am »
This week Daz doesn't like Gardiners brushes. Next week he'll be taking the heater back out, Vision was crap now it's brilliant!
North face Goretex brilliant now it's crap. ;D

 ;D ;D ;D
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

dazmond

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Re: hose and reel
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2016, 08:13:46 am »
spruce the thermobore bubbled up(delaminated and burst).once i got a decent redashe reel i realised just how much easier it was to reel in(and much faster too)compared to the claber.i still have the claber as an emergency back up reel.

once alex switched hose suppliers their microbore is  now suitable for hot water and is excellent.doesnt delaminate etc and lighter than thermobore,making it very easy and manageable to use day to day.

i do change my mind sometimes but its usually from my experience with various products over a period of time. ;D
price higher/work harder!

Spruce

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Re: hose and reel
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2016, 08:48:09 am »
spruce the thermobore bubbled up(delaminated and burst).once i got a decent redashe reel i realised just how much easier it was to reel in(and much faster too)compared to the claber.i still have the claber as an emergency back up reel.

once alex switched hose suppliers their microbore is  now suitable for hot water and is excellent.doesnt delaminate etc and lighter than thermobore,making it very easy and manageable to use day to day.

i do change my mind sometimes but its usually from my experience with various products over a period of time. ;D

Fair enough.  :)

Maybe what I said was a bit harsh. Sorry.
I have always thought that you were the best product tester anyone would want and you are a valuable asset to this forum. When you use something, you use it to destruction so we get the pros first and then the cons later.  ;D

I have certainly toyed with the idea of microbore. Smudger recommend it years ago, but I'm still on my same hose having turned it around on the hose reel.
With hot water's greater (higher) viscosity it will flow quicker and easier through microbore, so I can see that as an ideal situation, but we currently only use cold water.

Funnily enough the Minibore hose we got on the second hose reel from Cleantech was fractionally smaller than the hose I have now. It isn't microbore as I've measured it. It has an internal bore size of slightly more than 7mm.  If I use that hose reel I  can feel the difference in flow on the same setting. Hence the hesitation with buying microbore.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

robbo333

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Re: hose and reel
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2016, 05:00:25 pm »
My cheap and cheerful clabers are fixed in the van.

@ robbo333

That idea about 50 metres of pole hose + 50 of microbore - interesting. Any wear and tear issues?

No wear and tear issues as yet. I've been using this setup for 4 years or so with no problems. Actually it might be 50 metres of minibore rather than microbore (can't remember but I can double check if you're interested and put some pics up).
The pole hose fits perfectly inside the minibore with a jubilee clip to hold in place and stop leaks. There are no pressure issues, I use my pump on about half and get a good flow rate. Pulling the hose out and round the sides and backs of houses is easy, as is rewinding in again. It does tangle now and again but I've learnt to shake it (which is light and easy to do) and it usually comes free. Or twist it in the opposite direction. Also I've been using the same red Aquadaptor hose with no splits or tears in all that time. And I use a Claber reel mounted in the van. Also you can shut the van doors on it and it still works fine. Also you can use the gap between the open rear door and the van as a pole hose guide, so I can pull out the hose at literally any angle.
Anyway, hope that's helpfull GG. If you need any pics let me know. If you fancy a try out, I am in Bournemouth.
Cheers
Robbo
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NWH

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Re: hose and reel
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2016, 05:14:13 pm »
Buy a coxreel the 300 quid one its leak free and if you put the brake on off it will reel in like an electric on as for hose I use microbore with hot I've had the same one on the reel for over 18 months at the mo. I guarantee you you may only pay 80-90 notes for a reel but the one I have will still be going strong when your on your 3rd 80-80 quid one,also the cheap ones are good at giving you a bad back and are hopeless with hot water.

Dave Willis

Re: hose and reel
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2016, 05:21:52 pm »
Petal leaf reel with two threaded bars through it secured with nyloc nuts each end - save yourself £200.

NWH

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Re: hose and reel
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2016, 05:29:12 pm »
I would buy the coxreel quality product.

Dave Willis

Re: hose and reel
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2016, 05:30:33 pm »
So would I, if it was my only hobby.

dd

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Re: hose and reel
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2016, 06:29:05 pm »
IMO Hannay has the edge over cox. The cox reel looks very similar to the Hannay but I remember seeing a second hand cox reel on ebay that was quite rusty. My Hannay is 10 years old, no rust and is a pleasure to use.