[kempy]

SeanK , why don't you just accept it that some persons like vision and some persons don't .
Even I accept that some persons don't like using Vision , think I have had about 4 bottles returned so it's done well  .

Maybe SeanK just find a hobby , family life or go out and clean more Windows . Pointless you just banging on about the negatives of Vision .
But it is entertaining .

[Clever Forum Name]

SeanK , why don't you just accept it that some persons like vision and some persons don't .
Even I accept that some persons don't like using Vision , think I have had about 4 bottles returned so it's done well  .

Maybe SeanK just find a hobby , family life or go out and clean more Windows . Pointless you just banging on about the negatives of Vision .
But it is entertaining .

He has a hobby lol

[Rich Wilts]

Sperm coloured.

Definatley ................ Maybe that's what it is, and maybe that's why It took 3 of them to get it up and running 

This is how they've got the new mix formulated, they've started giving each other a helping hand in creating their samples.

I wonder if they'll start to produce vintage bottles. You know, like wine from a single vineyard. I wonder if the experts like Number23 will be able to blind sample the bottles and say for example "that is definitely one of Johnny's". Will he spit I wonder?

I've heard he swallows. Every time.

[jk999]

Thats is a very sad life 

[Dave Willis]

You wouldn't catch me on here on a Sunday - sad gits! 

[SeanK]

SeanK , why don't you just accept it that some persons like vision and some persons don't .
Even I accept that some persons don't like using Vision , think I have had about 4 bottles returned so it's done well  .

Maybe SeanK just find a hobby , family life or go out and clean more Windows . Pointless you just banging on about the negatives of Vision .
But it is entertaining .

Kempy why don't you just accept that whenever somebody starts a Vision thread on here I am going to comment on it,
like you have said its entertaining.
Any chance you could give me the molar count on your product so that I can work out exactly what percentage of what your
customers are using is nothing more than water, my guess at the minute would be about 80%.

[paulben]

Another version of vision already . If it works out cheaper than Nuclean I might give it another go but wont hold my breath

[Smurf]

Another version of vision already . If it works out cheaper than Nuclean I might give it another go but wont hold my breath

Don't get seank started on Nuclean aswell 

[Matt.]

Sperm coloured.

Definatley ................ Maybe that's what it is, and maybe that's why It took 3 of them to get it up and running 

Takes me ages to produce it on my own , now .

Hahahaha .......... Good come back kempy,

I can understand at first with it getting going u would need as many providers as possible but now with stocks up and a steady flow keeping ahead of the demand you can go alone 


Don't be coming on here in a few weeks saying your arm is aching from using the pole ........... 

[SeanK]

Another version of vision already . If it works out cheaper than Nuclean I might give it another go but wont hold my breath

Don't get seank started on Nuclean aswell 

Why would I start on Nuclean as with GG4 its only another cleaning product and when used in the way it was designed to be
used I'm sure it does the job.
Now when some dimwit says that by adding 6ml of it to 650litres of pure will turn the pure into a better cleaner that will restore
the shine on plastic frames then I will start.
I don't know the dilution ratios of Nuclean but take GG4, if you where to dilute to its maximum possible which is around 325
times more than the recommendation, at the levels these guys use and mixed to perfection it would only be in about 110litres of the water.
So in a 650litre tank you would have 110litres of pure with GG4 diluted by 325 times more than recommended and 540lites of
pure with nothing in it.
Its not the product I start on just the stupidity of the people using it.

[dazmond]

im still using the original vision(3 bottles bought last year).i put 4ml per 500L tank.it does make a difference.ive still got a full bottle left.

so the new stuff  do you have to put TWICE as much in your tank?

[SeanK]

im still using the original vision(3 bottles bought last year).i put 4ml per 500L tank.it does make a difference.ive still got a full bottle left.

so the new stuff  do you have to put TWICE as much in your tank?

It makes no difference, what I have said above also applies to Vision, you cant dilute a product beyond what its possible to
dilute it and that's not an opinion its a fact.
80% of what your putting on the glass is nothing more than pure and the other 20% has minuscule amounts of whatever
it happens to be.
We can all have opinions on what cleaning product does what and which is better but you cant argue with the facts.
You have bought into a placebo nothing more and going by your remark about having to use double the concentration I think
deep down you know it.

[chris turner]

im still using the original vision(3 bottles bought last year).i put 4ml per 500L tank.it does make a difference.ive still got a full bottle left.

so the new stuff  do you have to put TWICE as much in your tank?

It makes no difference, what I have said above also applies to Vision, you cant dilute a product beyond what its possible to
dilute it and that's not an opinion its a fact.
80% of what your putting on the glass is nothing more than pure and the other 20% has minuscule amounts of whatever
it happens to be.
We can all have opinions on what cleaning product does what and which is better but you cant argue with the facts.
You have bought into a placebo nothing more and going by your remark about having to use double the concentration I think
deep down you know it.

If the results are only 20% better using vision then that's good enough for me..
I still don't know why you harp on about vision seank, if you don't like it then fine, p@ss off to another thread.
Even if it only has a placebo affect, so what. Placebos have been proven to be affective in the medicine world. If using vision gives some people more confidence in the job there doing and helps speed them up or whatever, then great.
Personally I use it because I know it does a better job then pure alone, it helps rinsing on certain types of glass, and the added placebo affect makes me think I'm the best feckin window cleaner in the universe.
Apologies for ranting, I'm buzzing today, must be something in the water..

[SeanK]

im still using the original vision(3 bottles bought last year).i put 4ml per 500L tank.it does make a difference.ive still got a full bottle left.

so the new stuff  do you have to put TWICE as much in your tank?

It makes no difference, what I have said above also applies to Vision, you cant dilute a product beyond what its possible to
dilute it and that's not an opinion its a fact.
80% of what your putting on the glass is nothing more than pure and the other 20% has minuscule amounts of whatever
it happens to be.
We can all have opinions on what cleaning product does what and which is better but you cant argue with the facts.
You have bought into a placebo nothing more and going by your remark about having to use double the concentration I think
deep down you know it.

If the results are only 20% better using vision then that's good enough for me..
I still don't know why you harp on about vision seank, if you don't like it then fine, p@ss off to another thread.
Even if it only has a placebo affect, so what. Placebos have been proven to be affective in the medicine world. If using vision gives some people more confidence in the job there doing and helps speed them up or whatever, then great.
Personally I use it because I know it does a better job then pure alone, it helps rinsing on certain types of glass, and the added placebo affect makes me think I'm the best feckin window cleaner in the universe.
Apologies for ranting, I'm buzzing today, must be something in the water..

Who said it makes you 20% better ? but totally agree there will certain people such as yourself where it might be of
some use but that doesn't take away from what it is, a bottle of nothing.

[Clever Forum Name]

im still using the original vision(3 bottles bought last year).i put 4ml per 500L tank.it does make a difference.ive still got a full bottle left.

so the new stuff  do you have to put TWICE as much in your tank?

Yes but the Windows and frames are TWICE as shiny.

[chris turner]

im still using the original vision(3 bottles bought last year).i put 4ml per 500L tank.it does make a difference.ive still got a full bottle left.

so the new stuff  do you have to put TWICE as much in your tank?

It makes no difference, what I have said above also applies to Vision, you cant dilute a product beyond what its possible to
dilute it and that's not an opinion its a fact.
80% of what your putting on the glass is nothing more than pure and the other 20% has minuscule amounts of whatever
it happens to be.
We can all have opinions on what cleaning product does what and which is better but you cant argue with the facts.
You have bought into a placebo nothing more and going by your remark about having to use double the concentration I think
deep down you know it.

If the results are only 20% better using vision then that's good enough for me..
I still don't know why you harp on about vision seank, if you don't like it then fine, p@ss off to another thread.
Even if it only has a placebo affect, so what. Placebos have been proven to be affective in the medicine world. If using vision gives some people more confidence in the job there doing and helps speed them up or whatever, then great.
Personally I use it because I know it does a better job then pure alone, it helps rinsing on certain types of glass, and the added placebo affect makes me think I'm the best feckin window cleaner in the universe.
Apologies for ranting, I'm buzzing today, must be something in the water..

Who said it makes you 20% better ? but totally agree there will certain people such as yourself where it might be of
some use but that doesn't take away from what it is, a bottle of nothing.

Prove it...
As much as I can't prove it produces better results, can you prove it does nothing?

[chris turner]

im still using the original vision(3 bottles bought last year).i put 4ml per 500L tank.it does make a difference.ive still got a full bottle left.

so the new stuff  do you have to put TWICE as much in your tank?

It makes no difference, what I have said above also applies to Vision, you cant dilute a product beyond what its possible to
dilute it and that's not an opinion its a fact.
80% of what your putting on the glass is nothing more than pure and the other 20% has minuscule amounts of whatever
it happens to be.
We can all have opinions on what cleaning product does what and which is better but you cant argue with the facts.
You have bought into a placebo nothing more and going by your remark about having to use double the concentration I think
deep down you know it.

If the results are only 20% better using vision then that's good enough for me..
I still don't know why you harp on about vision seank, if you don't like it then fine, p@ss off to another thread.
Even if it only has a placebo affect, so what. Placebos have been proven to be affective in the medicine world. If using vision gives some people more confidence in the job there doing and helps speed them up or whatever, then great.
Personally I use it because I know it does a better job then pure alone, it helps rinsing on certain types of glass, and the added placebo affect makes me think I'm the best feckin window cleaner in the universe.
Apologies for ranting, I'm buzzing today, must be something in the water..

Who said it makes you 20% better ? but totally agree there will certain people such as yourself where it might be of
some use but that doesn't take away from what it is, a bottle of nothing.

I already thought I was a great  window cleaner before vision.
Since using vision my confidence has gone so high, I get a hard on just looking at myself cleaning windows in the super shiny glass.

[SeanK]

im still using the original vision(3 bottles bought last year).i put 4ml per 500L tank.it does make a difference.ive still got a full bottle left.

so the new stuff  do you have to put TWICE as much in your tank?

It makes no difference, what I have said above also applies to Vision, you cant dilute a product beyond what its possible to
dilute it and that's not an opinion its a fact.
80% of what your putting on the glass is nothing more than pure and the other 20% has minuscule amounts of whatever
it happens to be.
We can all have opinions on what cleaning product does what and which is better but you cant argue with the facts.
You have bought into a placebo nothing more and going by your remark about having to use double the concentration I think
deep down you know it.

If the results are only 20% better using vision then that's good enough for me..
I still don't know why you harp on about vision seank, if you don't like it then fine, p@ss off to another thread.
Even if it only has a placebo affect, so what. Placebos have been proven to be affective in the medicine world. If using vision gives some people more confidence in the job there doing and helps speed them up or whatever, then great.
Personally I use it because I know it does a better job then pure alone, it helps rinsing on certain types of glass, and the added placebo affect makes me think I'm the best feckin window cleaner in the universe.
Apologies for ranting, I'm buzzing today, must be something in the water..

Who said it makes you 20% better ? but totally agree there will certain people such as yourself where it might be of
some use but that doesn't take away from what it is, a bottle of nothing.

I already thought I was a great  window cleaner before vision.
Since using vision my confidence has gone so high, I get a hard on just looking at myself cleaning windows in the super shiny glass.

 

[SeanK]

im still using the original vision(3 bottles bought last year).i put 4ml per 500L tank.it does make a difference.ive still got a full bottle left.

so the new stuff  do you have to put TWICE as much in your tank?

It makes no difference, what I have said above also applies to Vision, you cant dilute a product beyond what its possible to
dilute it and that's not an opinion its a fact.
80% of what your putting on the glass is nothing more than pure and the other 20% has minuscule amounts of whatever
it happens to be.
We can all have opinions on what cleaning product does what and which is better but you cant argue with the facts.
You have bought into a placebo nothing more and going by your remark about having to use double the concentration I think
deep down you know it.

If the results are only 20% better using vision then that's good enough for me..
I still don't know why you harp on about vision seank, if you don't like it then fine, p@ss off to another thread.
Even if it only has a placebo affect, so what. Placebos have been proven to be affective in the medicine world. If using vision gives some people more confidence in the job there doing and helps speed them up or whatever, then great.
Personally I use it because I know it does a better job then pure alone, it helps rinsing on certain types of glass, and the added placebo affect makes me think I'm the best feckin window cleaner in the universe.
Apologies for ranting, I'm buzzing today, must be something in the water..

Who said it makes you 20% better ? but totally agree there will certain people such as yourself where it might be of
some use but that doesn't take away from what it is, a bottle of nothing.

Prove it...
As much as I can't prove it produces better results, can you prove it does nothing?

I have explained the science in as basic a way as I possibly can, give or take a small percentage 80% of the windows you clean will have been cleaned by nothing more than pure water, the other 20% will have been cleaned pure water and a cleaning
solution diluted to its limits, I don't need to prove that this is the case because its not my opinion its fact.

[SeanK]

Guys here's something else that may help, all these additives have a tds reading concentrated so why don't they
show up in your pure ?
Answer is they have been diluted to level that's below 1 part per million, now what also has a level that can be under 1 part per million ? pure.