[NWH]

You know all those council houses that pay you in cash lol

[Mick Kent]

Smudger Im confused! 75 rounds??
You class a round as a days work??
I have alwas thought that a round is your round i class myself as having 5 rounds. 3 domestic rounds, a commercial round and a retail round! 3 guys are out on the domestics and 1 on commercial and 1 on retail unless a big job where more go on the commercial which is normally weekends.
So if you was in my shoes would you class that as having 60 domestic rounds/20 retail rounds and 20 commercial rounds?? Instead of 3 domestic rounds, a commercial and a retail round??.

[Mick Kent]

I dont think window cleaning franchising works to become rich  as noone actually has over 20 fully funtioning franchises!!
If it takes 5 franchises to make what yourelf can on the tools! Well correct me if im wrong but thats an awful lot of customers needed. To be the equivalent of working and having 2 subby's/employees you would need 10/15 franchises! That to me is where window cleaning franchising seems slightly a waste of time especially if you have to pay for canvassing/leafletters etc. 5 fully working rounds would cost 40k to build via a canvassing company which is ridiculous. If you can do it yourself and have a team then fair enough... I cant say i know of any window licking franchise companies that have made it big time like other franchises out there have, where as there are many window cleaning companies with employees/subbys totally coining it in.  I see franchising works but cant see anyone getting stinking rich from it.
Ill be happy to see someone totally make it and have a branded name that everyone knows and has people cuing up to have a franchise off them, i think its highly unlikely though.

[Perfect Windows]

Well, we're aiming to have 44 franchises in 13 years, so you might want to restart this thread then...

Vin

[Clever Forum Name]

I have a round which has 4 customers in it.

it's the "Only do when no cars are on the drive, so i can take a poo in the garden round"

[ChumBucket]

Well, we're aiming to have 44 franchises in 13 years, so you might want to restart this thread then...

Vin

Pie in the sky. Yours are still on 3 day weeks!!

[Perfect Windows]

Well, we're aiming to have 44 franchises in 13 years, so you might want to restart this thread then...

Vin

Pie in the sky. Yours are still on 3 day weeks!!

Good for you.  Jolly good.  Well done.  Your opinion is important to me and I'm sure you know my business better than I do.

Vin

[NWH]

Blimey at last some people on here beggining to this for what it is,this way of working is pie in the the sky on the sort of levels that are being talked about policing between 40-50 grand a month it's the stuff dreams are  made of. I can see this happening about an hour before my breakfast just before I turn over in bed and fart and think I'll have another 10'minutes then I'll get up lol.

[NWH]

I've just worked out how many rounds I have blimey I must have 20 pairs of arms and legs,a round is not based on a days work whoever thought that one up,that way of looking at things sums it up to me.

[NWH]

For this to run anywhere near smoothly you would almost need a call centre keeping track of payments money owed by customers and franchisees work due to be completed work actually completed the list goes on. If this could be done it would've been,Duncan Banatyne gave an investment to a couple of window cleaners who wanted to go national he took it on but I believe he folded it someone said on here. When they said what they were doing a month with little expenses his eyes lit up I think they quoted 6-7k a month without really trying,domestic-commercial split. There are national cleaning firms who took over a couple a couple of jobs from me years ago we used to do early morning or evening cleaning,I spoke to one of the cleaning managers he said its a joke they are running at a loss. The window cleaning side was even more laughable they used to clean all the betfreds in the south at 6 quid a pop in some cases they drove 10-20 miles to each  one for 6 quid,the turnover was fantastic on paper though lol

[ChumBucket]

We have Ian Lancaster claiming he "could have" been a millionaire. Mr Wikipedia- Perfect Vin telling us what is going to happen in 2017 and now in THIRTEEN YEARS TIME

At the start of this thread I stated my belief that this model has limited scope..... and I stand by it as it seems to be currently evident.

Pie in the Sky indeed.

[Perfect Windows]

It's quite flattering to have a stalker.

Vin

[NWH]

Sounds like this is a mug hunting thread to me,thanks I've been told you've get me some enquiries lol when you dangle a carrot and all that. Pyramid selling comes to mind. 💩💩💩💩💩

[Nick Day]

As we speak (write) there is probably a young computer geek writing an ap where you can simply book a clean on your phone, pay up front to somebody who has never cleaned anything, and in a very short time you will all be taking work from him, while he is making a fortune,
The world is changing at a phenomenal rate, and I suspect that concentrating on outdated methods is going to overtake everybody.
There is going to be a fortune made from window cleaning, but I don't think it will be by Franchising.
Have a chat with your kids, they may well have the answer (make sure you tell them that they won't have to clean any  windows!!)

[NWH]

I know what you are saying but let's get this right people- customers want to know who's cleaning there Windows,ok you can get staff to do the work but they want to know initially who you are who's going to be calling round there property. It's a personal thing you have a relationship with them albeit small talk or whatever it might be they know you they trust you they have expensive thing in and around there property John Doe covered in tattoos need not apply kind of thing it's how people with lots of money think in my experience,who knows how the next generation will think 2/3 of em will be covered in tattoos so things might be different then but that's years down the line. Some people are still coming to terms with WFP dial a window cleaner maybe in the future but I can't see it happening anytime soon or some franchise firm taking work from me.

[Smudger]

Yes Mick - I do class a day as a round, that's how it's listed on cp most days we have 4 rounds in different areas or villages, I know some ( including a guy who is slightly larger biz than me ) runs it as one round, because he just has a long list and does not have a set day/time period (roughly six weeks but a weeks grace either way) we work strictly 4 or 8 weeks clean same day of the week every time - any employee can do any round on that particular day

If it's easier to understand our window cleaning round ( the whole thing ) has 75 different runs.  Much like parcel delivery companies have 30 or 40 runs from a hub

Darran

[NWH]

A round of window cleaning is what it consists of as a whole not a  days work lol,you don't have a round in a certain area you have some work in that area. All this talk about franchising I reckon if  someone with good work expanded there work by 30-40% and had the same quality work if they employed 2 people to work it the operation would be far far simpler to manage,you would be able to keep track of things ie cash flow being robbed etc so much easier. It's no different in renting work out which some do,the initial fee is only there in this idea of working so that they think twice about going on there own when they finally wake up and smell the beans. Any person with cash in there pocket to spend should buy a round of work and if they have no experience most genuine sellers will work it with them for a few months if they are a serious buyer,franchises are full of smoke and mirrors. Saying a round is a day's work there's a bit of smoke and mirrors in there somewhere.

[Nick Day]

I totally agree, but I see a trend where loyalty is rapidly disappearing.  People just want to book, pay, and come home to clean windows.
I wonder what would happen if somebody called themselves "Black Friday Window Cleaners".
I think that with an ap they would make a killing.
It seems that these days the perception of a bargain would overrule the quality of the service.......I think!!

[ChumBucket]

I totally agree, but I see a trend where loyalty is rapidly disappearing.  People just want to book, pay, and come home to clean windows.
I wonder what would happen if somebody called themselves "Black Friday Window Cleaners".
I think that with an ap they would make a killing.
It seems that these days the perception of a bargain would overrule the quality of the service.......I think!!

Probably right in many cases, many big marketing strategies are based around this sentiment and it works- big time!!

[NWH]

Nick not in certain area m8 it certainly doesn't look like changing anytime soon where I work,it is a really big issue with them they don't want Tom or Dick turning up with a fAg on. I know on other work they couldn't give a monkeys there out at work they never see you but that's another story,that's the trouble on these threads when franchising or expansion is talked about they have the kind of work it can be done on certain people don't care who cleans there windows,other people do care. If you start sending just anyone to do your work they may not like the look of them and that's all it takes and for those jobs it's game over,would you be willing to risk it on one or two houses that's a days money I wouldn't thanks. Who cares if you lose a 3 bed semi or a couple of flats it can be got back in no time.