[Steven Biggs]

It's like the hourly issue. Those earning £25-30 an hour on the glass and thinking they're doing well are mad. By the time you take into account, holidays, sick pay, your overheads etc, I reckon you're probably better off on £12 an hour in a dead end job.

your obviously spending far foo much on overheads .

[Shane sharples]

I don't know about the rest of the country but up north, you can live comfortably on £1600 a month

[8weekly]

It's like the hourly issue. Those earning £25-30 an hour on the glass and thinking they're doing well are mad. By the time you take into account, holidays, sick pay, your overheads etc, I reckon you're probably better off on £12 an hour in a dead end job.

your obviously spending far foo much on overheads .

I am the tightest bloke going. You have to remember that if you were employed you would get 28 days holiday a year. That's 6 weeks in work weeks. 20% of the working year. Then you add your overheads and the hours outside of  on the glass time and ,£25 an hour  on the glass is not great money.

[Clever Forum Name]

Can't put a price on being your own boss. Although some are trying to

[Shane sharples]

I thought we were discussing what you can live off 

[8weekly]

I thought we were discussing what you can live off 

In which case we could just go on benefits as it is proven you can live off that.

[Shane sharples]

Awesome lets do it 👍👍

[SeanK]

It's like the hourly issue. Those earning £25-30 an hour on the glass and thinking they're doing well are mad. By the time you take into account, holidays, sick pay, your overheads etc, I reckon you're probably better off on £12 an hour in a dead end job.

your obviously spending far foo much on overheads .

I am the tightest bloke going. You have to remember that if you were employed you would get 28 days holiday a year. That's 6 weeks in work weeks. 20% of the working year. Then you add your overheads and the hours outside of  on the glass time and ,£25 an hour  on the glass is not great money.

If your on £30 an hour and haven't at least £20 before tax into your pocket then your doing something wrong, even
working 30 hours a week that would be £300 a week on overheads or £13800 a year over 46 working weeks.
Even allowing 6 weeks holiday pay at £600 per week that's still leaves you £10200 a year to play with.
As for administration time well I used to spend one and half hours unpaid every day just to get/drive to and from my employed job and that's not taking in the costs involved that as a PAYE working I couldn't claim for.
So what your really saying is somebody making £31200 a year for a 30 hour week would be better off in a £12 an hour
dead end job, come on.

[NWH]

£12 an hour or £96 a day is not enough to live off where I live that's why people stay on the dole and get bills paid,you could live of it to a degree but it would mean watching every penny and still struggling. The government go on about this minimum £10 an hour but in reality it's still not really enough to live off and have enough left over for any luxurys at all.

[8weekly]

It's like the hourly issue. Those earning £25-30 an hour on the glass and thinking they're doing well are mad. By the time you take into account, holidays, sick pay, your overheads etc, I reckon you're probably better off on £12 an hour in a dead end job.

your obviously spending far foo much on overheads .

I am the tightest bloke going. You have to remember that if you were employed you would get 28 days holiday a year. That's 6 weeks in work weeks. 20% of the working year. Then you add your overheads and the hours outside of  on the glass time and ,£25 an hour  on the glass is not great money.

If your on £30 an hour and haven't at least £20 before tax into your pocket then your doing something wrong, even
working 30 hours a week that would be £300 a week on overheads or £13800 a year over 46 working weeks.
Even allowing 6 weeks holiday pay at £600 per week that's still leaves you £10200 a year to play with.
As for administration time well I used to spend one and half hours unpaid every day just to get/drive to and from my employed job and that's not taking in the costs involved that as a PAYE working I couldn't claim for.
So what your really saying is somebody making £31200 a year for a 30 hour week would be better off in a £12 an hour
dead end job, come on.

I said "on the glass". £30 an hour on the glass is nowhere near £900 a week.

[Steven Biggs]

Your overheads on a one man band or employe up to 1 person window cleaning business  should be no more than 5 % . .

[8weekly]

Your overheads on a one man band or employe up to 1 person window cleaning business  should be no more than 5 % . .

Utter nonsense.

[8weekly]

My insurance PL/EL is £300 a year. So of my £30,000 turnover, my expenses should be £1,500 so that leaves £1,200.  Road tax £225. £975 left. A bag of resin £75. A van service £300. We're now down to £600. Mobile phone say £20 a  month - £480. Home office £15 a month £300 left.  Ooohh, van insurance £350. Wait, hold on we haven't got a van, say £5,000 over say 5 years, no fuel at perhaps £100 a month. As you can see, 5% is totally inadequate.

[Steven Biggs]

Your right . Just done a quick calculation it's more like 4% .  .and when I put some prices up  in the next 3 months it will  ;Dbe more like 3 %?

[8weekly]

Your right . Just done a quick calculation it's more like 4% .  .and when I put some prices up  in the next 3 months it will  ;Dbe more like 3 %?

[Walter Mitty]

Your overheads on a one man band or employe up to 1 person window cleaning business  should be no more than 5 % . .

You  might just about manage that if cleaning the traditional way, working very hard on extremely well-priced work, with no vehicle loan and minimal vehicle maintenance with most work very local to you.  e.g. If you could manage a £50k turnover (a very big ask, especially on trad) and had a minimal business insurance £100 p.a., maybe not pay for an accountant and do it yourself, £1,500 p.a. for petrol/diesel, £150 p.a. for tools/clothing and £250 for miscellaneous other items (stationery, phone etc.), that would be £2k.  That leaves £500 for vehicle maintenance/tax/insurance.  It would be a bit over but if all ocal, fuel might be trimmed a little.
However, everything would need to be close to perfect in order to achieve it.  That might actually happen on occasional years.

[Frankybadboy]

who cares about money

more to life than money,

and you cant take it to your graves 

[Don Kee]

You're getting robbed if you're paying £300 for a full service on your van

[8weekly]

You're getting robbed if you're paying £300 for a full service on your van

It was just a figure.

[DaveG]

£12 an hour or £96 a day is not enough to live off where I live

Depends on your outgoings surely?

Just out of interest what area are you?

There's probably plenty of guys here that live in nice areas that could live on £500 a week.