[Steven Butler]

Dont know if anyone else has done the same but lately and with amazing results ive been encapping upholstery and then extracting with my machine but dry extracting rather than HWE...can you see any problems with this?

[Steve Chapman]

If completely dry you would need an inline filter to stop the dust damaging your vac motors...
probably better to use vacuum cleaner.......

[Steven Butler]

No mate its not completely dry at all.  Ive literally been spraying the encap, brushing in then extracting whilst still wet.
The results have honestly been outstanding

[Simon Gerrard]

Aren't there powerful oxidising agents in most encap products which could cause huge problems on some fabrics, so I'd say your risking it - big time😳

Simon

[davetherave]

I thought encap products like dynamall are more for commercial carpets,  rather than the delicate fabrics found in upholstery?

I'm very inexperienced with carpet and upholstery cleaning though.

[gwrightson]

Encap solutions are my main method of attack on upholstery now.

and great on micro fibre materials which are getting more common now.

Geoff

[Steven Butler]

Geoff,

Do you leave them to dry, towel off or use the machine to dry extract like i have been?

Steve

[tim handley]

im using pro chem fab restorer applying as a foam, brushing or sponging depending on soiling, then towel dry  or extract depending on material or soiling levels.... great results....

[scott johns]

everything has a place in our game but I would say fine to encap your dfs, scs furnishings due to there poor quality and cheap
put together furnishings but I wouldn't  not on a quality high end quality furnishings. I look forward to some more comments on this post
as I think there are going to be quite a mixed opinions this is why I think these forums are good to help one and others happy cleaning and have a good week

[Steven Butler]

Tim if extracting and not towelling do you dry extract like i have been or rinse extract mate?

[tim handley]

rinse, generally......... unless doing a really clean one, such as one i did on saturday, really didnt need any more than towel dry.....
didnt really need cleaning tbh, but there ya go......  everyones happy!!!!

[gwrightson]

Stephen,

depending on amount of soiling , material etc. I normally extract  ,often I will just towel, usually the side and backs.

geoff

[Mike Halliday]

Funny this came up I spent Saturday afternoon cleaning my suite with various dry foam methods  in preparation for a suite I had to clean today.

Discussed it with JK on Thursday while ordering some shampoos  (chemspecs & craftex) was going to buy an encap solution to use but decided to use an actual shampoo

This is the combo I ended up using which as a Von shrider scrubbing in the foam then a wet vac to remove it




Then finished with a towel which was very soiled at the end so the foam cleaning did leave quite a lot of dirt behind.

It did a good job but wouldn't like to use it as my stand alone cleaning method.

[sean oregan]

Mr Butler
Your such a bad boy!!!!!

[tim handley]

in the naughty corner Steven.......

[Tony Stewart]

Maybe I'm old school. I thought that encap was used on commercial carpet tiles where they loosened the soil and put a polymer coating round the dirt. When that dried then it was removed with a vacuum cleaner with a beating brush. I use encap where needed with a Cimex so it's not as though I am totally against encapping.
Then  hey ho some bright spark says get an oreck orbiter as a little rotary and lets do a bit of this in customers homes. Be in there quick and out and with the brighteners on the carpet it looks fantastic. Add a bit of lemon smell and the customers will go wild on the speed at which I can "clean" and get a result. Hey my hourly rate goes up and I can always say that the customers like the quick drying times and the carpets look great.
Then try it on minging carpets and it struggles because even on a commercial carpet that has really heavy footfall the soiling is so great that it cannot be cleaned this way as the carpet is full of dirt and it just cannot be lifted out. So you need to extract that out with a hot water extraction machine. So now on a bad EOT it wont cut the mustard.
So then more bright sparks try it on upholstery and get great results, and some now do a combination of HWE on the front and then shortcut the job by putting encap on the rear of the settee.
It's all about what you want to do in the carpet and upholstery cleaning business but to me there is a right and a wrong way. The suppliers supply the products for the correct use and as Simon says you are risking it. Paul Pearce et al would never advocate encapping upholstery in their training sessions.
Just to finish my rant.............went to price up an EOT. Big house and she has to have a receipt for the landlord to show that she has had the carpets cleaned. I discounted the price as it would be empty from £369 to £300 as with a truckmount I could still make it pay. She looked at me and said that all she wanted was the receipt and wasn't bothered about the clean. So maybe that's the next step for some guys - just a receipt and no clean!!!!

[sean oregan]

I am no chemist but isn't prochem fibre shampoo an encap product?

[gwrightson]

Maybe I'm old school. I thought that encap was used on commercial carpet tiles where they loosened the soil and put a polymer coating round the dirt. When that dried then it was removed with a vacuum cleaner with a beating brush. I use encap where needed with a Cimex so it's not as though I am totally against encapping.
Then  hey ho some bright spark says get an oreck orbiter as a little rotary and lets do a bit of this in customers homes. Be in there quick and out and with the brighteners on the carpet it looks fantastic. Add a bit of lemon smell and the customers will go wild on the speed at which I can "clean" and get a result. Hey my hourly rate goes up and I can always say that the customers like the quick drying times and the carpets look great.

I agree to a point Tony, I have ever encapped commercial carpets and the very rare residential , residential for the reason low  profile in kitchen achieving good results. simples really horses for courses. 

As Sean says fibre shampoo is very similar  along with a  a number of other products  .

Perhaps your correct in your statement regarding Paul,  What you need to ask is Has he tried it ? has he investigated it ?

Geoff
Then try it on minging carpets and it struggles because even on a commercial carpet that has really heavy footfall the soiling is so great that it cannot be cleaned this way as the carpet is full of dirt and it just cannot be lifted out. So you need to extract that out with a hot water extraction machine. So now on a bad EOT it wont cut the mustard.
So then more bright sparks try it on upholstery and get great results, and some now do a combination of HWE on the front and then shortcut the job by putting encap on the rear of the settee.
It's all about what you want to do in the carpet and upholstery cleaning business but to me there is a right and a wrong way. The suppliers supply the products for the correct use and as Simon says you are risking it. Paul Pearce et al would never advocate encapping upholstery in their training sessions.
Just to finish my rant.............went to price up an EOT. Big house and she has to have a receipt for the landlord to show that she has had the carpets cleaned. I discounted the price as it would be empty from £369 to £300 as with a truckmount I could still make it pay. She looked at me and said that all she wanted was the receipt and wasn't bothered about the clean. So maybe that's the next step for some guys - just a receipt and no clean!!!!

[Jonathan Evans]

Maybe I'm old school. I thought that encap was used on commercial carpet tiles where they loosened the soil and put a polymer coating round the dirt. When that dried then it was removed with a vacuum cleaner with a beating brush. I use encap where needed with a Cimex so it's not as though I am totally against encapping.
Then  hey ho some bright spark says get an oreck orbiter as a little rotary and lets do a bit of this in customers homes. Be in there quick and out and with the brighteners on the carpet it looks fantastic. Add a bit of lemon smell and the customers will go wild on the speed at which I can "clean" and get a result. Hey my hourly rate goes up and I can always say that the customers like the quick drying times and the carpets look great.
Then try it on minging carpets and it struggles because even on a commercial carpet that has really heavy footfall the soiling is so great that it cannot be cleaned this way as the carpet is full of dirt and it just cannot be lifted out. So you need to extract that out with a hot water extraction machine. So now on a bad EOT it wont cut the mustard.
So then more bright sparks try it on upholstery and get great results, and some now do a combination of HWE on the front and then shortcut the job by putting encap on the rear of the settee.
It's all about what you want to do in the carpet and upholstery cleaning business but to me there is a right and a wrong way. The suppliers supply the products for the correct use and as Simon says you are risking it. Paul Pearce et al would never advocate encapping upholstery in their training sessions.
Just to finish my rant.............went to price up an EOT. Big house and she has to have a receipt for the landlord to show that she has had the carpets cleaned. I discounted the price as it would be empty from £369 to £300 as with a truckmount I could still make it pay. She looked at me and said that all she wanted was the receipt and wasn't bothered about the clean. So maybe that's the next step for some guys - just a receipt and no clean!!!!

I have been asked that very question.............. Er no sorry madam.
Why I hate EOT's

[first impressions]

What are bright sparks, are they any  good.