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Clever Forum Name

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #100 on: November 18, 2015, 07:25:45 pm »
Ain't got a clue. 500 customers and closed the books two months ago.

Only work I take on is in the same street or next door to other houses.

Well done 23, seriously if you are full and happy then that's great. I stand by my comments though. We attract and clean 250 customers every 3  months at the moment, to achieve these figures you cannot turn down fussy customers.

Do you mean 250 new customers or 2500 regular. Lost lol

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #101 on: November 18, 2015, 07:28:15 pm »
250 NEW. We are having a massive push at the moment. Leaflets and canvassing. Customers gained over winter months are normally great customers!! 2 more vans planned for early 2016.

Clever Forum Name

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #102 on: November 18, 2015, 07:31:49 pm »
Ah ok.

I am extremely happy with work. Just stream lining it now. Basically making my working life easier.




Jonny 87

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #103 on: November 18, 2015, 07:31:59 pm »
IMO there is no need to work in the rain, and, in fact, there's more to be gained by not working in the rain than there is by carrying on regardless.
Many people just look at the loss of earnings from not working in the rain.
When starting my business up I decided that I was not going to work in any sort of wet and blustery weather. (also strong winds on dry days in summer blowing dust around when wfp ) As a customer of a window cleaner before starting my own business, I would of not been happy to pay for windows cleaned in the rain, so why clean my customers?
How has this worked out for me?
Well 99% of our work is domestic and verbally agreed with the house holder to be cleaned every 4 weeks, this means 13 cleans a year.  We never hit 13 cleans, our average across the business is 12 cleans per year.  (customers NEVER complains if we are late, in fact 99% don't even notice or are even bothered)
So whats the up side to not cleaning in the rain??  It needs to be pretty good as we have lost 1  clean in the year on all our domestic customers.
So what is it?
BUSINESS GROWTH
IMO, if you are wanting to build the ultimate one/two man round, top prices, no messers, etc etc, then cleaning in the rain is fine. It's fine because you are not looking for every possible customer you can get in your area, you are only needing enough for you and maybe a helper or partner.
BUT, if you are wanting to build a large business and build it QUICKLY, one that you can manage off the tools and put your name too it, then customer service HAS too come before your own personal earnings, and, IMO, cleaning in the rain falls short on providing a quality, value for money service. Call me Steve Jobs (read the book and you will know), but that's just the way I am.
For the past few years we have asked every new customer for feed back after the first clean and what they expect from us. YOU WOULD BE AMAZED at what customers expect, AND, this is the most important bit of my novel I'm writing here, the reasons why they have changed window cleaner or not had one for a while. AMAZED. Number 2 on our list of reasons for cancelling a window cleaning service is having them cleaned in the rain.

Hope these comments help if you are reading this and trying to decide whether to clean or not to clean in the rain.


   

 

This is all fine and well but it provides a very one sided view.

Personally I never lose customers because of quality ( I always ask them the question), in fact at most I lose half a dozen a year due to moving or kicking the bucket etc. On the other hand..... I don't advertise and have never canvassed, and Ive built up to currently 400 customers on a 4 weekly schedule. Nearly all of it has come from recommendations. Imagine if I actually tried to build the business??

What sets me apart from most cleaners in my area? From the customers that I speak to they were fed up of the unreliable, not knowing when they were going to turn up previous window cleaners.

Working in "most" weathers has worked for me, and I advise anyone who wants to work through the rain..... Just do what YOU want to do. It's your business. 99% of your customers won't bat an eyelid, and you become part of the furniture because you are there every month rain hail or shine.

Plus the fact you won't lose out on any loss of income due to some rain.

If I was missing out on a months wage every year and had been since I started window cleaning purely because of some rain and wind...... That would be a lot of cash. Enough cash for someone to get themselves on the property ladder, or start buying to let properties and getting out of the window cleaning game altogether.

Money isnt the be all and end all, far from it. But a few days here and there missed because of weather really adds up.
Vision Technician / Visual Engineer /  Vision Enhancement Operative /...........................................................OnlyUseMeWFP AkA Jonny the Windy Wesher

dazmond

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #104 on: November 18, 2015, 07:38:36 pm »
Customer, are you working today in this?
windie, yes or i wont earn 40 45k and take 5 star holidays ::)roll

whats wrong with that?its true!if i spent half my days moaning about the weather and not working i wouldnt be staying in 5 star hotels and eating out in nice restaurants occasionally. :)

price higher/work harder!

dazmond

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #105 on: November 18, 2015, 07:48:15 pm »
IMO there is no need to work in the rain, and, in fact, there's more to be gained by not working in the rain than there is by carrying on regardless.
Many people just look at the loss of earnings from not working in the rain.
When starting my business up I decided that I was not going to work in any sort of wet and blustery weather. (also strong winds on dry days in summer blowing dust around when wfp ) As a customer of a window cleaner before starting my own business, I would of not been happy to pay for windows cleaned in the rain, so why clean my customers?
How has this worked out for me?
Well 99% of our work is domestic and verbally agreed with the house holder to be cleaned every 4 weeks, this means 13 cleans a year.  We never hit 13 cleans, our average across the business is 12 cleans per year.  (customers NEVER complains if we are late, in fact 99% don't even notice or are even bothered)
So whats the up side to not cleaning in the rain??  It needs to be pretty good as we have lost 1  clean in the year on all our domestic customers.
So what is it?
BUSINESS GROWTH
IMO, if you are wanting to build the ultimate one/two man round, top prices, no messers, etc etc, then cleaning in the rain is fine. It's fine because you are not looking for every possible customer you can get in your area, you are only needing enough for you and maybe a helper or partner.
BUT, if you are wanting to build a large business and build it QUICKLY, one that you can manage off the tools and put your name too it, then customer service HAS too come before your own personal earnings, and, IMO, cleaning in the rain falls short on providing a quality, value for money service. Call me Steve Jobs (read the book and you will know), but that's just the way I am.
For the past few years we have asked every new customer for feed back after the first clean and what they expect from us. YOU WOULD BE AMAZED at what customers expect, AND, this is the most important bit of my novel I'm writing here, the reasons why they have changed window cleaner or not had one for a while. AMAZED. Number 2 on our list of reasons for cancelling a window cleaning service is having them cleaned in the rain.

Hope these comments help if you are reading this and trying to decide whether to clean or not to clean in the rain.


   

 

i only started cleaning in the rain when i switched to wfp nearly 6 years ago and my round has just gone from strength to strength as well as my yearly earnings.im on top of my game for sure.ive never had it so good! ;D
price higher/work harder!

martin hulstone

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #106 on: November 18, 2015, 07:51:27 pm »
Nothing wrong with it whatsoever, just dont think you need to be telling people how much you earn.
When i was a window cleaner in Bolton i would never dream of earning that and i would feel pretty peed off knowing how much you are earning! Salaries are like religion and politics, best not talked about.
And before anybody says you should have been charging more in bolton , i couldnt, loads an loads of windies working cash in hand charging 4 quid a terrace and 6 quid a 3 bedder!

dazmond

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #107 on: November 18, 2015, 07:57:55 pm »
Nothing wrong with it whatsoever, just dont think you need to be telling people how much you earn.
When i was a window cleaner in Bolton i would never dream of earning that and i would feel pretty peed off knowing how much you are earning! Salaries are like religion and politics, best not talked about.
And before anybody says you should have been charging more in bolton , i couldnt, loads an loads of windies working cash in hand charging 4 quid a terrace and 6 quid a 3 bedder!

martin IVE EARNED IT MATE!!ive been window cleaning for 22 years.the vast majority of those years i just about paid my bills when trad only.

ive put a lot of time,effort and commitment to knocking my round into much better shape as well as investing in wfp.

its not happened "overnight".its took 6 years.
price higher/work harder!

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #108 on: November 18, 2015, 08:16:51 pm »
IMO there is no need to work in the rain, and, in fact, there's more to be gained by not working in the rain than there is by carrying on regardless.
Many people just look at the loss of earnings from not working in the rain.
When starting my business up I decided that I was not going to work in any sort of wet and blustery weather. (also strong winds on dry days in summer blowing dust around when wfp ) As a customer of a window cleaner before starting my own business, I would of not been happy to pay for windows cleaned in the rain, so why clean my customers?
How has this worked out for me?
Well 99% of our work is domestic and verbally agreed with the house holder to be cleaned every 4 weeks, this means 13 cleans a year.  We never hit 13 cleans, our average across the business is 12 cleans per year.  (customers NEVER complains if we are late, in fact 99% don't even notice or are even bothered)
So whats the up side to not cleaning in the rain??  It needs to be pretty good as we have lost 1  clean in the year on all our domestic customers.
So what is it?
BUSINESS GROWTH
IMO, if you are wanting to build the ultimate one/two man round, top prices, no messers, etc etc, then cleaning in the rain is fine. It's fine because you are not looking for every possible customer you can get in your area, you are only needing enough for you and maybe a helper or partner.
BUT, if you are wanting to build a large business and build it QUICKLY, one that you can manage off the tools and put your name too it, then customer service HAS too come before your own personal earnings, and, IMO, cleaning in the rain falls short on providing a quality, value for money service. Call me Steve Jobs (read the book and you will know), but that's just the way I am.
For the past few years we have asked every new customer for feed back after the first clean and what they expect from us. YOU WOULD BE AMAZED at what customers expect, AND, this is the most important bit of my novel I'm writing here, the reasons why they have changed window cleaner or not had one for a while. AMAZED. Number 2 on our list of reasons for cancelling a window cleaning service is having them cleaned in the rain.

Hope these comments help if you are reading this and trying to decide whether to clean or not to clean in the rain.


   

 

This is all fine and well but it provides a very one sided view.

Personally I never lose customers because of quality ( I always ask them the question), in fact at most I lose half a dozen a year due to moving or kicking the bucket etc. On the other hand..... I don't advertise and have never canvassed, and Ive built up to currently 400 customers on a 4 weekly schedule. Nearly all of it has come from recommendations. Imagine if I actually tried to build the business??

What sets me apart from most cleaners in my area? From the customers that I speak to they were fed up of the unreliable, not knowing when they were going to turn up previous window cleaners.

Working in "most" weathers has worked for me, and I advise anyone who wants to work through the rain..... Just do what YOU want to do. It's your business. 99% of your customers won't bat an eyelid, and you become part of the furniture because you are there every month rain hail or shine.

Plus the fact you won't lose out on any loss of income due to some rain.

If I was missing out on a months wage every year and had been since I started window cleaning purely because of some rain and wind...... That would be a lot of cash. Enough cash for someone to get themselves on the property ladder, or start buying to let properties and getting out of the window cleaning game altogether.

Money isnt the be all and end all, far from it. But a few days here and there missed because of weather really adds up.

Get out there and get building it then!! By the way, I very rarely clean windows anymore because i got out there and built mine.

robbo333

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #109 on: November 18, 2015, 08:21:48 pm »
This week i've started cleaning in the rain.
Never done it before, but i'm so busy, I feel I really have no choice. Naturally i've read the reviews on this site and some say it's good and some say it's bad, but I thought i'd try it for myself and see.
So far I am really happy with the results. I feel more motivated that I can earn more and keep more on schedule. I actually feel like I can provide a better service to my customers (by keeping on track) than a worse service (by the result of poor cleaning quality due to the rain). I do only clean in light rain and not when it's bouncing off the floor. I also do an exceptionally good job whatever the weather.
I am very customer conscious and offer a 'rain guarantee' (they can contact me within 2 days of cleaning with any probs and I'll reclean for free).  I think that's fair and reasonable.
I'll monitor it and see how it goes.
"Thank you for calling: if you have a 1st floor flat, mid terraced house, lots of dogs, no parking, no side access, or no sense of humour, please press hold!
For all other enquiries, please press1"

martin hulstone

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #110 on: November 18, 2015, 08:26:49 pm »
Nothing wrong with it whatsoever, just dont think you need to be telling people how much you earn.
When i was a window cleaner in Bolton i would never dream of earning that and i would feel pretty peed off knowing how much you are earning! Salaries are like religion and politics, best not talked about.
And before anybody says you should have been charging more in bolton , i couldnt, loads an loads of windies working cash in hand charging 4 quid a terrace and 6 quid a 3 bedder!
More or less same as you then, 15 yrs trad, 6wfp, i just think what you earn is irrelevant and doesnt need mentioning when justifying your work practice. :)

martin IVE EARNED IT MATE!!ive been window cleaning for 22 years.the vast majority of those years i just about paid my bills when trad only.

ive put a lot of time,effort and commitment to knocking my round into much better shape as well as investing in wfp.

its not happened "overnight".its took 6 years.

8weekly

Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #111 on: November 18, 2015, 11:10:47 pm »
So when a customer sells their house and moves 150 miles away. Really it's because they didn't want the windows cleaned in the rain but they didn't want to tell me lol.

I have never ever had a customer turn round to me and say we sacked our last cleaner Coz he cleaned in the rain.

Still waiting to loose my first customer from cleaning in the rain.
I've had one say that in 5 years, but I clean that property in the rain and explained it doesn't make any difference. The most common reason is "he just stopped coming". 

Mike #1

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #112 on: November 19, 2015, 06:26:40 am »
Fact weather forecast is very rarely spot on it was forecast to hammering it down for 2 hrs 10am-12pm  yesterday then be dry , I started at 8.20 am and worked till 11.30 and had to heavy downpours for 5 mins  until it got to bad , Rain was coming straight down  and barely hitting windows apart from when the odd gust of wind whipped up .

Had to sack it off till 1pm then out again got 2 houses then it lashed down again for 20 mins then was dry till 5.30 and i got soaked never got finished till 6 pm all in all i had a record day , In over 15 years of running my business i have worked in some crap weather at times and have not lost one single customer because of working in bad weather .

What ever is said on here you can only do what you feel is right for your business , I know 2 lads who will not have ventured out yesterday because they are scared of their customers turning them away , But they will be moaning about loss of earnings and been way behind same when the snow comes  ::)roll ::)roll

Carl2009

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #113 on: November 19, 2015, 07:47:00 am »
I do work in rain if it doesn"t affect my job, light rain, not landing on the glass etc, but yesterday for instance, i dont believe i would have been providing a service for my customers, i would have merely been earning a wage for myself!

And is that necessarily a bad thing? Or do you not think being reliable regardless of the weather is just as much of a service?

It's here that lies the problem. It's a grey area. As Number23 says its opinion. Not fact.

You have two choices......

Work in poor weather but provide a reliable service for your customers...

Or

Only clean your customers Windows in good weather, but your always late.

You won't always be late if you avoid really bad weather. If you are your business structure and / or pricing is wrong.

Carl2009

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #114 on: November 19, 2015, 07:51:14 am »
The thing is that if & when you employ someone, you just have to carry on. If it's hammering it down, sit it out in the van, but that's an extremely rare occurrence here. Perhaps twice this year? 

The other thing to bear in mind is that if you plan to employ, or God forbid  work full time and have a full round (5 days a week 8:30-4  then you have to carry on. It's not about "hand to mouth" as some suggest, it's about maximising your income.

Whatever you think, people really don't complain and if they do, give them a guarantee. If they still aren't happy either dump or skip.
Exactly...

All my custys know I do a 24 hr guarantee...I think I've had 2 call backs in 6 years :)

That doesn't mean they don't like you coming when the windows will be dirty again soon after you've cleaned. I had one guy who said they were dirty from the weather after I cleaned and I asked him why he didn't call me back. "Life got in the way mate" he said.

DaveG

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #115 on: November 19, 2015, 07:52:45 am »
This week i've started cleaning in the rain.
Never done it before, but i'm so busy, I feel I really have no choice. Naturally i've read the reviews on this site and some say it's good and some say it's bad, but I thought i'd try it for myself and see.
So far I am really happy with the results. I feel more motivated that I can earn more and keep more on schedule. I actually feel like I can provide a better service to my customers (by keeping on track) than a worse service (by the result of poor cleaning quality due to the rain). I do only clean in light rain and not when it's bouncing off the floor. I also do an exceptionally good job whatever the weather.
I am very customer conscious and offer a 'rain guarantee' (they can contact me within 2 days of cleaning with any probs and I'll reclean for free).  I think that's fair and reasonable.
I'll monitor it and see how it goes.

Lovely down here in Sunny Dorset eh Robbo?  ???
You can't polish a turd

Carl2009

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #116 on: November 19, 2015, 08:05:24 am »
This week i've started cleaning in the rain.
Never done it before, but i'm so busy, I feel I really have no choice. Naturally i've read the reviews on this site and some say it's good and some say it's bad, but I thought i'd try it for myself and see.
So far I am really happy with the results. I feel more motivated that I can earn more and keep more on schedule. I actually feel like I can provide a better service to my customers (by keeping on track) than a worse service (by the result of poor cleaning quality due to the rain). I do only clean in light rain and not when it's bouncing off the floor. I also do an exceptionally good job whatever the weather.
I am very customer conscious and offer a 'rain guarantee' (they can contact me within 2 days of cleaning with any probs and I'll reclean for free).  I think that's fair and reasonable.
I'll monitor it and see how it goes.

You might find that there is a subtle change in mindset amongst your customers. They might go from being happy you are calling on them to being sorry you've come when the weather is so poor. We have to set it in context though. An isolated day of drizzle in the middle of a fairly settled week - i'm out in it and people don't mind, I know cos I've got that type of relationship with my custies. But when the forecast is for prolonged rain and winds or, and let's face it we've had two already - Abigail and Barney - stormy, it's reasonable IMO to delay.

Why not come out and ask people "Are you happy for me to clean in the rain". If you are afraid to ask this - your question is answered. You know that they are not, therefore you are providing a service that people don't want at that time. You may or may not be happy with that.

There is no right or wrong answer and it certainly depends on the type of weather, the people involved and location of each clean.

AuRavelling79

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #117 on: November 19, 2015, 08:11:32 am »
It's all in the mind. Mainly the window cleaners mind.

Bit like canvassing. Some will and are highly structured. Some do if they have to. some can't face it.
It's a game of three halves!

8weekly

Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #118 on: November 19, 2015, 08:26:44 am »
It's all in the mind. Mainly the window cleaners mind.

Bit like canvassing. Some will and are highly structured. Some do if they have to. some can't face it.
That's it. A million excuses to disguise the one truth that they're worried their customers will be upset. It's all in the mind, but you have to overcome it.

tlwcs

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Re: even i had to admit defeat today!
« Reply #119 on: November 19, 2015, 10:53:59 am »
It's all in the mind. Mainly the window cleaners mind.

Bit like canvassing. Some will and are highly structured. Some do if they have to. some can't face it.
That's it. A million excuses to disguise the one truth that they're worried their customers will be upset. It's all in the mind, but you have to overcome it.

No, I speak for all my customers and think for most of them too.
My pricing and structure must be wrong lol