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dazmond

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2022, 11:55:48 am »
I know this is an old thread.

There were a few windies and suppliers who were working on a hose layering system with electric hose reels a few years ago, but everything has gone very quiet. Nathanael Jones, Peter Fogwill who has sadly since passed, Waterworks, to name a few were all looking at this.

Has anyone still got an ongoing project?

It obviously didn't work properly in practical terms....
price higher/work harder!

swanson

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2022, 02:15:37 pm »
I’ve had electric reels waste of money always going wrong .

NWH

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2022, 02:55:53 pm »
Light poles hot water and electric reels complete waste of money far better to have surgery on the most complicated joint on the body the shoulder, when you’ve ruined it winding in hose  day after day and pushing up heavy poles job after job  all you’re working life you might think again.

Mike Burd

Re: electric reels
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2022, 04:40:00 pm »
I put electric reels last two vans I bought and will have one fitted in the new one I’ve just bought. There’s no productivity benefit, I just want to minimise wear on workers. Especially now I’m recruiting older guys generally.

dazmond

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2022, 04:44:15 pm »
Anything to make the actual job of cleaning easier...my electric  reel is nearly 4 years old and never misses a beat...
price higher/work harder!

dazmond

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2022, 04:45:07 pm »
I’ve had electric reels waste of money always going wrong .

You must of bought one of the crappy electric reels then...which one was it?
price higher/work harder!

Lee GLS

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2022, 04:57:59 pm »
I know this is an old thread.

There were a few windies and suppliers who were working on a hose layering system with electric hose reels a few years ago, but everything has gone very quiet. Nathanael Jones, Peter Fogwill who has sadly since passed, Waterworks, to name a few were all looking at this.

Has anyone still got an ongoing project?

Quite a while ago I did see waterworks made reel where they had a motor running a layering guide but nothing seemed to come of it

Lee GLS

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2022, 05:00:35 pm »
I know this is an old thread.

There were a few windies and suppliers who were working on a hose layering system with electric hose reels a few years ago, but everything has gone very quiet. Nathanael Jones, Peter Fogwill who has sadly since passed, Waterworks, to name a few were all looking at this.

Has anyone still got an ongoing project?

Found it

https://youtu.be/WsaKl0SBNck

Leroy Wright

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2022, 05:05:20 pm »
I think one major problem with automatic spooling would be the grit and debris that sticks to the hose especially in wet weather.....so having to stand with a cloth in your hand while it reels back onto the reel seems the only solution to this. The grit has to go somewhere once it is reeled in if not cleaned while reeling it back in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsaKl0SBNck&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aar7STR-EBo&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4UQoCDdvfI&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omYCYYs07QM&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=3

Must admit I have been waiting ages like everybody else.  Would love to wind up as I'm walking back to the van.

Splash & dash

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2022, 06:52:27 pm »
I think one major problem with automatic spooling would be the grit and debris that sticks to the hose especially in wet weather.....so having to stand with a cloth in your hand while it reels back onto the reel seems the only solution to this. The grit has to go somewhere once it is reeled in if not cleaned while reeling it back in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsaKl0SBNck&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aar7STR-EBo&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4UQoCDdvfI&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omYCYYs07QM&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=3

Must admit I have been waiting ages like everybody else.  Would love to wind up as I'm walking back to the van.


We have auto level wind on the hose reels on the fire trucks grit and dirt arnt a problem .

robert mitchell

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2022, 02:45:00 pm »
If you run a diesel heater you will need a split charge setup for the reel alone,if you dont it will run the leisure battery down. That's the good thing about ionic they independently isolate things like heaters etc with there own battery,any electric reel will drain the battery I found

They only draw current in short bursts , you will hardly notice any difference in battery life.
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NWH

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2022, 04:58:00 pm »
If I’ve ever had problems with it turning off years ago it was due to insufficient battery power or poor connections,ideally all connections should be soldered.

NWH

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2022, 05:00:42 pm »
When the heater puts a load through the battery when it powers down and then up again if the battery is either not charged or dodgy it’ll just turn off.
This is why you should keep them running between jobs recirculating so it’s on all the time so to speak.

Spruce

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2022, 07:21:59 pm »
When the heater puts a load through the battery when it powers down and then up again if the battery is either not charged or dodgy it’ll just turn off.
This is why you should keep them running between jobs recirculating so it’s on all the time so to speak.

This works for me!
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

NWH

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2022, 07:49:54 pm »
Yeah if you disconnect the pole and don’t plug in to recirculate within a short time it can turn off then you have to go through the start up cycle again,as you know Spruce on start up cycles the batteries are under a heavy load if it drops down to 11.2 volts at some point during that time it’ll turn off I had this countless times due to a badly charged battery. If you use pumps only you’d get away with wiring straight to the van battery they draw very little,I know quiet a few that do just this but with a heater well charged batteries are a must as well as a decent split charge system the £30-40 quid types are useless.

Spruce

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2022, 09:02:42 am »
Yeah if you disconnect the pole and don’t plug in to recirculate within a short time it can turn off then you have to go through the start up cycle again,as you know Spruce on start up cycles the batteries are under a heavy load if it drops down to 11.2 volts at some point during that time it’ll turn off I had this countless times due to a badly charged battery. If you use pumps only you’d get away with wiring straight to the van battery they draw very little,I know quiet a few that do just this but with a heater well charged batteries are a must as well as a decent split charge system the £30-40 quid types are useless.

In my experience even an expensive battery 2 battery charger won't full recharge a battery (leisure or starter) doing short runs.

Batteries only accept a limited recharge rate even although, in the case of a starter battery, can discharge a high current rate.

If I take 4 amps from my leisure battery, my van's alternator through a Sterling b2b charger will only charge my leisure battery back up at around 2 amps. In theory, if the figures remained the same, it would take my alternator 2 hours to fully recharge my battery. But as the battery accepts a lower and lower charge the closer it gets to fully charged, it will take longer than 2 hours.

We have tried to run a single pump off the van's starter battery a number of times over the years; Peugeot Partner, Ford Transit Connect and now my son's Citroen Berlingo. Starter batteries were flat between 4 and 7 days. We just don't do enough mileage or travelling time to recharge the batteries. Yet, there was a windie down South who only ran his pump from the starter battery on his Berlingo and replacement van without issue.

In today's world, I believe Lithium-ion batteries would work better in our industry as they will accept a faster recharge rate. But they need a b2b charger programmed for lithium. The cost of £600 for a 100 amph battery also puts me off TBH. Freezing temps are another issue with them. You can discharge a frozen lithium-ion battery, but can't recharge it.

Splash and Dash has stated that his Marine expert friend that has done all his WFP installations in his vans has commented that there is another battery 'in the wings' that is better than Lithium-ion.

Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Leroy Wright

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2022, 03:16:46 pm »
I think one major problem with automatic spooling would be the grit and debris that sticks to the hose especially in wet weather.....so having to stand with a cloth in your hand while it reels back onto the reel seems the only solution to this. The grit has to go somewhere once it is reeled in if not cleaned while reeling it back in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsaKl0SBNck&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aar7STR-EBo&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4UQoCDdvfI&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omYCYYs07QM&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=3

Must admit I have been waiting ages like everybody else.  Would love to wind up as I'm walking back to the van.


We have auto level wind on the hose reels on the fire trucks grit and dirt arnt a problem .

Do you have auto level wind on your electric reels for window cleaning ?  Would that sort of system be doable on a window cleaning system ? With regards to grit and dirt on the hose some  window cleaners have 100 metres of pole hose on their reels so I think the problem would be the grit acting like sand paper on the inside of the poles if not cleaned while winding in.

I really thought Water works were onto something good with their setup

Splash & dash

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2022, 05:34:21 pm »
I think one major problem with automatic spooling would be the grit and debris that sticks to the hose especially in wet weather.....so having to stand with a cloth in your hand while it reels back onto the reel seems the only solution to this. The grit has to go somewhere once it is reeled in if not cleaned while reeling it back in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsaKl0SBNck&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aar7STR-EBo&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4UQoCDdvfI&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omYCYYs07QM&list=PLA7cCLGKkvOB1eCFxEVJlW2SGrVYEGYOl&index=3

Must admit I have been waiting ages like everybody else.  Would love to wind up as I'm walking back to the van.


We have auto level wind on the hose reels on the fire trucks grit and dirt arnt a problem .

Do you have auto level wind on your electric reels for window cleaning ?  Would that sort of system be doable on a window cleaning system ? With regards to grit and dirt on the hose some  window cleaners have 100 metres of pole hose on their reels so I think the problem would be the grit acting like sand paper on the inside of the poles if not cleaned while winding in.

I really thought Water works were onto something good with their setup


No not on the window cleaning reels but sure it would work if someone invented it , waterworks were developing one but mast I Hurd it wasn’t cost speffectjve to do it as a full on production model , shame as I think it would be good but would probably make it harder work pulling the hose off the reel , we usually have the hose run through a rag when reeling in to get rid of most of the dirt

dazmond

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2022, 08:59:33 pm »
There's just no need for automatic spooling....how easy do you want to make this job?I often use anti bacterial wipes that I have in the back of my van when reeling in for hygiene purposes esp if I'm not wearing gloves....
price higher/work harder!

Simon Trapani

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Re: electric reels
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2022, 06:33:51 am »
There's just no need for automatic spooling....how easy do you want to make this job?I often use anti bacterial wipes that I have in the back of my van when reeling in for hygiene purposes esp if I'm not wearing gloves....
🤔As easy as possible - you know that better than anyone! You’re always banging on about hot water, extreme poles, light brushes, part time hours, heated driver’s seat etc. The list goes on!