[slap bash]

The last look at H/S stated that you should not use ladders if a safer way was available. The problem if its not available due to a cash problem or if you should get the cash before you start.

[mark2788]

Really can't understand why people are still using ladders when there is a safer, and better cleaning method 

Alot more expensive as I hardly haven't outgoings and no expensive kit to keep in order, also gained alot of customers as they don't like wfp because the ways it's done not just because they had a crap window cleaner

[samson]

Really can't understand why people are still using ladders when there is a safer, and better cleaning method 

Alot more expensive as I hardly haven't outgoings and no expensive kit to keep in order, also gained alot of customers as they don't like wfp because the ways it's done not just because they had a crap window cleaner

What price do you put on your life ?  Regarding customers prefering it , thats a load of bull, are your customers going to pay your bills when you fall off ?      A  cleaner in our area died falling off ladders, and one of his old customers asked us if we would do the work using ladders . . . . I won't say what I said 

[mark2788]

Really can't understand why people are still using ladders when there is a safer, and better cleaning method 

Alot more expensive as I hardly haven't outgoings and no expensive kit to keep in order, also gained alot of customers as they don't like wfp because the ways it's done not just because they had a crap window cleaner

What price do you put on your life ?  Regarding customers prefering it , thats a load of bull, are your customers going to pay your bills when you fall off ?      A  cleaner in our area died falling off ladders, and one of his old customers asked us if we would do the work using ladders . . . . I won't say what I said 

Not really bull when i've gained alot of money from just doing trad, I am always safe as the ladder slipped years ago so will never risk anything and get workmate to hold it if it's a hard or wet etc. Also you could potentially use pole and wagtail as good and quicker than wfp if you've seen waggas videos on YouTube

[Walter Mitty]

A few years ago I had a very harsh reality check.  Barely half a mile from where I live the W/C came off his ladder while cleaning the top windows above a restaurant.  I didn't see it myself the the shopkeeper in the next shop told me that the blood was running from his head and into the gutter.  He was lucky to live.  Six months off work.  When I next saw him he was very much slower of mind, body and speech.  He stopped cleaning within a year.  I don't know what became of him.  I used to see him around a lot in happier times.

[samson]

Do you know what, some people are just not going to change even when they are risking their own life, so I am going to tell you where I am . . . . .I am out !    You crack on fella 

[Smurf]

A few years ago I had a very harsh reality check.  Barely half a mile from where I live the W/C came off his ladder while cleaning the top windows above a restaurant.  I didn't see it myself the the shopkeeper in the next shop told me that the blood was running from his head and into the gutter.  He was lucky to live.  Six months off work.  When I next saw him he was very much slower of mind, body and speech.  He stopped cleaning within a year.  I don't know what became of him.  I used to see him around a lot in happier times.

I know as window cleaners die or sustain life changing injuries every year as a direct result of just trying to do their job.
The lucky ones get a big wakeup call for sure.

[stan stansfield]

Do you know what, some people are just not going to change even when they are risking their own life, so I am going to tell you where I am . . . . .I am out !    You crack on fella 

in the hands of a good cleaner ladders are perfectly safe,its the make as much money as quickly as possible cleaners that are unsafe

[mark2788]

Do you know what, some people are just not going to change even when they are risking their own life, so I am going to tell you where I am . . . . .I am out !    You crack on fella 

I'm not against wfp in some situations it's good but if I take precautions to be as safe as anyone else a ladder is fine, alot of the time quicker on normal residential houses as well and the main reason a hell of a lot cheaper, as I said learning the skill with a trad pole is also alot more satisfying I think

[AuRavelling79]

Mark you really are behaving unwisely. You've been shown a way for less than £200 to get to difficult windows with a backpack and pole and you yammer on about how your customers won't have it.

Heard it all before ... they won't have it they say this they say that. What it boils down to is this. Either a window cleaner grows a pair and tells his customers he will not risk his neck and they can find someone else or he doesn't.

You carry on giving it large as to how your keeping the craft alive and making the money from your loyal customers . Don't bother asking folk who were on ladders for ten years and have been wfp for ten years, just go your own sweet way.

[SeanK]

Do you know what, some people are just not going to change even when they are risking their own life, so I am going to tell you where I am . . . . .I am out !    You crack on fella 

in the hands of a good cleaner ladders are perfectly safe,its the make as much money as quickly as possible cleaners that are unsafe

Exactly mate, there are people injured in every profession when not using their equipment properly.

[Smurf]

Wagga only took 28 years to realise wfp van mount was the way to go .
My mate only took 26 years to realise he could make more money going wfp too.

[mark2788]

Mark you really are behaving unwisely. You've been shown a way for less than £200 to get to difficult windows with a backpack and pole and you yammer on about how your customers won't have it.

Heard it all before ... they won't have it they say this they say that. What it boils down to is this. Either a window cleaner grows a pair and tells his customers he will not risk his neck and they can find someone else or he doesn't.

You carry on giving it large as to how your keeping the craft alive and making the money from your loyal customers . Don't bother asking folk who were on ladders for ten years and have been wfp for ten years, just go your own sweet way.

No not at all I haven't attacked anyone for using wfp, I'm just saying if you are safe and take precautions etc you can make that work as well, I wouldn't speak to customers that way, I was talking about getting new customers because they don't like wfp. Im open to the idea of a backpack and have asked about that previously, I don't know where you think k ivebeen giving it large as you put it? But last time I looked it was a post about trad? I have said a few times wfp can be good but not in every situation as a few here try to tell me otherwise, thanks for your concern about my safety though

[Walter Mitty]

Wagga only took 28 years to realise wfp van mount was the way to go .
My mate only took 26 years to realise he could make more money going wfp too.

I'm doing pretty well then as it only took me 14 years of ladders (and two near misses) to decide on WFP.

[Walter Mitty]

Mark you really are behaving unwisely. You've been shown a way for less than £200 to get to difficult windows with a backpack and pole and you yammer on about how your customers won't have it.

Heard it all before ... they won't have it they say this they say that. What it boils down to is this. Either a window cleaner grows a pair and tells his customers he will not risk his neck and they can find someone else or he doesn't.

You carry on giving it large as to how your keeping the craft alive and making the money from your loyal customers . Don't bother asking folk who were on ladders for ten years and have been wfp for ten years, just go your own sweet way.

No not at all I haven't attacked anyone for using wfp, I'm just saying if you are safe and take precautions etc you can make that work as well, I wouldn't speak to customers that way, I was talking about getting new customers because they don't like wfp. Im open to the idea of a backpack and have asked about that previously, I don't know where you think k ivebeen giving it large as you put it? But last time I looked it was a post about trad? I have said a few times wfp can be good but not in every situation as a few here try to tell me otherwise, thanks for your concern about my safety though

Mark, even customers who dislike WFP are unlikely to give you a hard time about just using it on the more unsafe climbs.  If they do, they don't deserve a window cleaner.

[Smurf]

Wagga only took 28 years to realise wfp van mount was the way to go .
My mate only took 26 years to realise he could make more money going wfp too.

I'm doing pretty well then as it only took me 14 years of ladders (and two near misses) to decide on WFP.

Wakeup calls tend to do that for sure...Nice one 

[mark2788]

I won't do any unsafe climbs, I've had a near miss before and took the precautions against it happening again

[Smurf]

I bet that's what this chap said too 

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/13313360.UPDATED__Window_cleaner_seriously_injured_after_falling_18ft_from_ladder_on_building_site/

No one goes out to work thinking they will not come back in one piece but sadly it happens all the time.

[M & C Window Cleaning]

No matter how safely you use ladders and how good you are at judging situations, accidents are what they are. More often than not unforeseen. You cannot predict every situation, especially when other people are involved. I've had numerous customers over the years suddenly appear at windows trying to pay me out of upstairs windows. I've had animals suddenly leap up windows and on one occasion two stupid boys who thought it would be fun to try to tip me off the ladder by forcing the window open I was trying to clean.
As for customers not liking wfp, and insisting on trad, well they don't give a hoot about our safety. I was even told this by one of my customers when I made the switch. He was one of four  that I lost straight off. They chose to go with a trad guy who two years ago fell off his ladder after a particularly wet night and broke his wrist. He never returned to work and three of the four came back to me and the fourth went with another wfper. She too had been very rude to me when I tried to explain the safety issues.

[SeanK]

I won't do any unsafe climbs, I've had a near miss before and took the precautions against it happening again

Mark don't try and defend your actions to this mob, there have been many thousands of window cleaners over the years
who have  worked successfully and safely from ladders.
Remove the guys who where too stupid to be allowed on ladders in the first place or guys taking silly risks and there would only be a very small percentage of competent shiners who have been injured from falling.
This same mob preaching about health and safety will be telling you next week that you need to buy a cheap gas boiler from
China and fit it to your van if you want to make any money cleaning with pure.