[Ashley Brothwood]

One way they might ask you is if he is delivering leaflets for you but is free to find other work such as leafleting for another company he would be self employed, Effectively running a leaflet distribution company.
If he is only wearing your uniform, only delivering your leaflets and doing the Times / days you set it would be more like he's employed.
Neither is an air tight argument but along them lines is how they look at it

[samson]

True, the accountant said it can be a grey area, but I suppose if they are only working for you alone then they should be on the books.

[Smudger]

As posted above if your setting hours and uniform, however your not paying p/h your paying per thousand delivered, in their own time. Thats self employed regardless if they have other "clients" or not

Believe me you don't want to be paying p/h for leaflet drops most people deliver around 100 p/h so 10 hours minimum wage per 1000 + NI + employers contribution + holiday pay

Darran

[Ben Marriott]

Sounds like a good Saturday job for a retired postman

[Ashley Brothwood]

Yes when I have leafleters I pay £50 per 1000 and £5 per job booked in so the faster they work the more money they earn. They do it in their own time and can do as much or as little as they want so I usually get an invoice off them for the time spent and the amount of leaflets they've pushed

[samson]

Yes when I have leafleters I pay £50 per 1000 and £5 per job booked in so the faster they work the more money they earn. They do it in their own time and can do as much or as little as they want so I usually get an invoice off them for the time spent and the amount of leaflets they've pushed

The guy who is helping is getting £35 per 1k, and £5 for each customer, still think its too cheap but he said that's what he wanted 

[Kev Martin]

Apparently if they earn under £112 a week you just need an invoice from them, any more and it gets costly !
Self employed is the way to go to start them off, and then if they are any good you can put them on the books. 

I don't know where this figure of £112 a week came from Darren and our accountant can find no reference to it either!   Do you have a HMRC Reference or link you can post or send me that supports it because we can't find it anywhere?  The NI Threshold is £155 p/w.

[Kev Martin]

This is a HMRC Screen print that our accountant has just sent me.  It quite clearly states that regardless of how much you pay they must be on your HMRC return.

Now you know why we have an expensive but accurate accountant

[samson]

Just going by what he told me, that if you pay a penny over £112 you have to do a lot of paper work ( to be honest when he was telling me all this stuff my mouth was open, and I had a glazed look on my face )  !
Just to note Kev, your turnover is in the millions, but I just get a bit of extra cash money to to top up my benefits 

[samson]

Do you have an offshore bank account Kev ?

[Kev Martin]

Just going by what he told me, that if you pay a penny over £112 you have to do a lot of paper work ( to be honest when he was telling me all this stuff my mouth was open, and I had a glazed look on my face )  !
Just to note Kev, your turnover is in the millions, but I just get a bit of extra cash money to to top up my benefits 

Just don't want something to go wrong that's all!  Up to you at the end of the day!  My turnover is in the Millions but unfortunately in Hungarian Forints not £ Sterling

[samson]

Just going by what he told me, that if you pay a penny over £112 you have to do a lot of paper work ( to be honest when he was telling me all this stuff my mouth was open, and I had a glazed look on my face )  !
Just to note Kev, your turnover is in the millions, but I just get a bit of extra cash money to to top up my benefits 

Just don't want something to go wrong that's all!  Up to you at the end of the day!  My turnover is in the Millions but unfortunately in Hungarian Forints not £ Sterling

well techically that makes you a millionaire 

[CleanClear]

This is a HMRC Screen print that our accountant has just sent me.  It quite clearly states that regardless of how much you pay they must be on your HMRC return.

Now you know why we have an expensive but accurate accountant

Kev, what is that an actual screenshot of ? It says..year 2015 to 2016 so its not a tax return. My understanding is that you do not need to register if you employ, and you pay less than , or no more than £106 (£108?) a week for 16 hours .

I realise there's a new change where employers now have to register as regards the pension scheme. And thats no matter what they earn or no matter what hours they do. Is it that we're looking at ?

[CleanClear]

Found someone who is going to do some leafleting, only around 14 hours a week to start, but what are the limits on NI, and do i just need to get a receipt for the money I pay him ?        Do I need to inform HMRC ?

Thanks for any advice 

I'm going to answer my own question that i asked Kev here. No, you do not need to worry about any of that. Just make a record of what you have paid and to whom. Check yourself here..................
https://www.gov.uk/register-employer

Here's the result i just got. Which i knew to be correct, but just had to recheck after looking at the advice here..............

[CleanClear]

Now you know why we have an expensive but accurate accountant

Explain the accurate bit for me Kev  

[samson]

Now you know why we have an expensive but accurate accountant

Explain the accurate bit for me Kev  

Just got a new accountant , and this is who gave me the advice about the £112 limit, he told me as long as I get an invoice then I have covered myself.

[Kev Martin]

Now you know why we have an expensive but accurate accountant

Explain the accurate bit for me Kev  

I will pass this information  back  to him but I must say in his defence that two of my grandchildren are paper boys for two different shops.  Both earn around £20-£25 a week and they had to register and both get payslips every week.  The shops wouldn't  be going through it if they didn't  need to would they?  I don't  think it's about the amount paid out anymore but we will see.

[Smudger]

I think the difference is paye where you would register and sub contract where you don't

Darran

[CleanClear]

Now you know why we have an expensive but accurate accountant

Explain the accurate bit for me Kev  

Just got a new accountant , and this is who gave me the advice about the £112 limit, he told me as long as I get an invoice then I have covered myself.

Its not a case of covering yourself, and you don't get invoices from employees. You give them a wage slip. You should as a matter of course have their NI details, check their elegibility to work. Other than that the system is simplified for small business paying small earners, by negating the red tape around employer registration, real time PAYE requirements. Of course it does not negate registering for this new pension thing.

[CleanClear]

Now you know why we have an expensive but accurate accountant

Explain the accurate bit for me Kev  

I will pass this information  back  to him but I must say in his defence that two of my grandchildren are paper boys for two different shops.  Both earn around £20-£25 a week and they had to register and both get payslips every week.  The shops wouldn't  be going through it if they didn't  need to would they?  I don't  think it's about the amount paid out anymore but we will see.

That will be the difference Kev from your perspective. As i answered "no" to does the employee have another job. Yours has.