[Smurf]

Just thought I would ask if anyone uses DIDECYLDIMETHY­LAMMONIUM CHLORIDE on k render walls etc ?
Apparently it's the active ingredient in algoclear http://www.roofclean.co.uk/pdf/AlgoClear-Pro-Safety-Datasheet-2014.pdf and is cheaper to buy and more concentrated.

http://mistralni.co.uk/collections/biocides/products/didecyldimethylammonium-chloride

DIDECYLDIMETHY­LAMMONIUM CHLORIDE
 

DDAC 50% Solution
 

Technical grade
 
It is a modern and safe biocide. It features broad spectrum activity against both gram positive and gram negative bacteria, fungicide and mildewcide, active against enveloped viruses (e.g. Hepatitis B, HIV), tolerance for anionic contaminants, high tolerance to hard water, maintains efficacy in presence of heavy organic soiling such as blood and protein, good surfactant and wetting properties. It has an amine content of approximately 1.5%. It is found in many Quat based moss killers.
 
Broad spectrum of activity against both gram positive and gram negative bacteria.

Fungicide, algaecide, moss killer and mildewcide. See Below

Active against enveloped viruses (e.g. Hepatitis B, HIV).

High tolerance to hard water.

Maintains efficacy in presence of heavy organic soiling such as blood and protein.

Good surfactant and wetting properties.
 
CAS No.: 7173-51-5
EINECS No.: 230-525-2
UN No.: 2920
INCI-Name Didecyldimonium chloride
 
Composition: A 50% active Solution of DDAC in water and IPA. 
 
Use areas:
 Disinfectant and disinfectant cleaner for hospitals, food industry, industrial kitchens
 Laundry disinfectant.
 Wood treatment (sapstain and decay).
 Water treatment (swimming pools, cooling towers etc).
 Slimicide (paper industry).
 Algaecide / Fungicide (walls, patios, decking etc).

[wpclean]

Sounds like Algoclear !

[chris scott]

Yep…that will work.

[Kev Martin]

It isn't about the active ingredients it is about the way it is mixed, in what ratios and what with!  I have chemists who make products for us who are very clever people but you cannot simply give them a product and ask them to Back engineer it.  e.g.  Coca Cola has phosphoric acid in it as an ingredient but you wouldn't  drink Phosphoric Acid no matter how diluted would you?  It is not quite as simple as you think.

We spent 5 years getting our High Alkaline Cleaner to work as it does today but there are dozens of High Alkaline Cleaners available on the market.   The basic  R&D is probably the same in most of them to a point but it is what you add and how you add it that makes a difference!

Kevin

[Kev Martin]

Yep…that will work.

Chris

Are you about?   I wanna call you!

Kev

[chris scott]

Call me what?

[BDCS]

Chris,I expect nothing you've not been called before.

Kevin, I can supply the recipe for most cola's but the phosphoric ratio bepends on how hard the water its made with. The water softening is the scarey bit of your worried about the acids ! We used to bottle for Virgin cola and we had to use acid regen on the softening plant. Your right you would'nt drink it if you knew about the different colours, sweeteners and most of all velcorin !

[Kev Martin]

Carl

I would never drink coke ever!  After once cleaning a Porcelain Floor in a nightclub I asked the manager what the 6 buckets of brown stuff were behind the bar and he said "That is all the waste cola left behind that the staff had collected"  I asked why and he said " Before we leave every night we pour it equally into each of the toilets cos there is something in it that leaves the toilets lovely"     My son drinks gallons of the sh*t

[Mike Halliday]

Smurf,
I've got to be honest and did the same thing as you and researched the active ingredient in   algoclear type products to see if I could buy it in a concentrated form from mistral.

They do a couple of quat type chemicals, the one you listed and BENZALKONIUM CHLORIDE - ALKYL DIMETHYL BENZYL AMMONIUM CHLORIDE.

I have this at home now (it was delivered yesterday)  I actually think this is the wrong one. the link you listed is what I should have bought.

I'm spending a few days in the Yorkshire Dales walking at the moment why I get back I will be testing it

[Smurf]

Well it seems algoclear is just http://mistralni.co.uk/collections/biocides/products/didecyldimethylammonium-chloride that has just been relabled and sold at a handsome profit. That is unless anyone knows different for sure. 

[Smurf]

Enjoy your holliday  and forget about work for now 

Smurf,
I've got to be honest and did the same thing as you and researched the active ingredient in   algoclear type products to see if I could buy it in a concentrated form from mistral.

They do a couple of quat type chemicals, the one you listed and BENZALKONIUM CHLORIDE - ALKYL DIMETHYL BENZYL AMMONIUM CHLORIDE.

I have this at home now (it was delivered yesterday)  I actually think this is the wrong one. the link you listed is what I should have bought.

I'm spending a few days in the Yorkshire Dales walking at the moment why I get back I will be testing it

[chris scott]

You have found the Frenchmans secret out….top work Watson. You could of just asked

[Smurf]

Ok what do you use Chris?

 

You have found the Frenchmans secret out….top work Watson. You could of just asked

[chris scott]

Algoclear

[Smurf]

 

Algoclear

[Willi]

Ok what do you use Chris?

 

You have found the Frenchmans secret out….top work Watson. You could of just asked

mistral don't sell ddac anymore does anyone know where you can get it now thanks bill

[Smurf]

Did they say the reason why not bill?

[Kev Martin]

If you all think its the same just go and buy Wet N Forget from Costco which was supposedly developed in New Zealand it cost £17.99 a gallon.
I have one arriving next week that has been under development for 6 months and we have now completed on all tests.  It is called Spray & Walk Away it is a lot like  A****l***

[Smurf]

If you all think its the same just go and buy Wet N Forget from Costco which was supposedly developed in New Zealand it cost £17.99 a gallon.
I have one arriving next week that has been under development for 6 months and we have now completed on all tests.  It is called Spray & Walk Away it is a lot like  A****l***

There are lots of mickey mouse product out there that don't realy work as they are p weak but yours sounds quite interesting...

How much?

[Willi]

Did they say the reason why not bill?

no I've just been on website and nothing comes up when you type it in I bought some last month no problem and it works a treat