[AJCleaningServices]

I am an immigrant and have never put it out of sight.  I am living and working in the UK because the law permits me to do so.  I came to the UK about 8 years ago with an intention to learn English and then emigrate to Australia, but one year after my arrival I became self-employed and run my own domestic cleaning services business since. 

Now, what is my guilt?

[Prestige1]

Arthur
This is my oppinion for what its worth. I welcome anyone to this country providing they follow these simple rules.
Have work
Don't claim of the state
Stay with in the laws of this land.
Respect this country,
I am sure you fit all the above, Regards Phil

[www.crawleycarpetc]

I totally agree with prestige and please understand Aurther my comment in the other post is aimed at our wonderfull government who seem to let anyone claim benefits regardless as to whether or not they have contributed to the uk or not. I welcome you to the uk and wish you every success in your business.

Regards Rob

[garyj]

You'll need more than the English language to get into Australia, they don't just accept anyone.

Your guilt is the way you have asked multiple questions and then insulted well respected posters. I think you got off lightly in a few cases.

And your ugly.

[stains-away]

What exactly is the point of this topic Arthur?

If you look into British history then probably 95% of the population are descended from immigrants of one nationality or another,in the last 4 generations of my family there are Dutch, Germans, West Indians, Austrians, Canadians and Americans, all of whom  settled in England, did they persistently make a point of letting everybody know where they were from, I doubt it, did they just get on with it and do their thing, probably, did some of them take abuse for their colour or accent, undoubtedly.
My point being that I like the majority of people in this country couldn't really give a monkeys where someone comes from, or is going, as long as they get on with it in their own little way, what I and a lot of others find annoying is when someone, regardless of their background, continually asks for advice then slates, criticises and generally makes a mockery of those that try to help towards answering that question,even occasionally threatening those that dare to point this out to you, I cannot be bothered to find the post, regarding import duty on machinery, although I remember it as being something along the lines of "I will inform the V.A.T office when I find your true identity".
As a new starter to carpet cleaning (have you actually started yet?) there will be many questions you will have along the way, personally I've found this site to be invaluable, where else can you ask a question and get advice from people who have more knowledge between them than on this forum?
If this information is taken in then maybe it will help you at some point in the future when you become stuck with a problem, if the source of the knowledge is abused then do you think that there will be help in the future?
Im not having a go,Im just pointing out the facts as I see them,some will agree with me, some wont,we could even have a poll on it, I really dont care,we could cut and paste parts of previous posts,we could even cut them at such a point that it could totally alter the context of what was originally typed, but where would it get anybody?
                                                                                                                      Andy

[AJCleaningServices]

What exactly is the point of this topic Arthur?...

The point is to see how many if any people would repeat resists remarks about me made by GaryJ.

... And your ugly.

As you have recently mentioned in one of your posts, I have been ignoring your posts.  Will do in the future, just would just like to say that if I was a gay your comments (I believe you are a male) would hurt me. 

However, I should stress I have nothing against gay people, some of my friends are gay

[stains-away]

The point is to see how many if any people would repeat resists remarks about me made by GaryJ.

A brief definition of racist,

racism   
noun (UK OLD-FASHIONED racialism) DISAPPROVING
the belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as the members of your own, or the resulting unfair treatment of members of other races:

Gary's comments were not racist, just his opinion on the U.K's immigration policy and the fact that it was not sustainable, here, cut and pasted once again are a few examples of the word opinion in use,

Definition

opinion 
  the thoughts or beliefs that a group of people have:
Eventually, the government will have to take notice of public opinion.
There is a diverse range of opinion on the issue.
There was a difference of opinion as to the desirability of the project.
Opinion is divided as to whether the treatment actually works.
Both performances were excellent, it's simply a matter of opinion as to whose was better.

In my opinion (definition above) the continued influx of economic migrants into this country cannot continue unchecked,with both Romania and Bulgaria set to join the E.U the amount of people coming to England will increase, as will the burdens on the National Health, housing, education, employment etc,not to mention the financial effect felt with millions of pounds being sent home to fund the immigrants families financial needs back home.

I have worked in places where the core of the manual labour force were migrants (both economic and asylum seekers allegedly forced from their own countries due to their opinions and beliefs)

1) Economic migrants,
Every year the vast majority of the (mainly) Eastern European workers would take a holiday back home, they would inform the taxman they were going home and obtain a rebate in income tax,then after their "holiday" they would return, how nice for them.
Maybe I should try telling the taxman that he should pay for a months holiday for my family and see where I get.

2)Asylum Seekers,
Again the majority of them would go on "holiday" funded by the great British taxman, and we all know who funds him don't we?
One particular worker sticks in my mind,a Kurdish teenager who was forced to leave his country due to persecution, he went to Germany, then France, both countries denied him asylum, he then came to England, where he was granted asylum on the basis that he would be persecuted if he returned home, after a holiday to Germany to see some family didnt get a rebate he decided to take another excursion, this time back to Iraq, the country from which he had fled, my opinion (definition above) being that if he feels safe enough returning for a month to visit then maybe its safe enough to live there.

What about the council that wouldn't allow Christmas decorations or celebrations in its offices incase it offended non Christians, then held celebrations to mark the ending of Ramadan.
Does this not amount to the British being victims of racism in their own country?

Iwill end this long and boring post now with a thought for you,

Your perception of the remark made by Gary was that he was racist,having now read the definition of racism do you feel that your perception of racism allowed you to make what could (if using the same standards to judge it) be termed as a racist remark against Gary?

btw, I find as a heterosexual your remarks about gays to be discriminatory, by saying that you have nothing against gay people you could be implying that people could have something against gays, wether or not this is true I feel the fact that you state that you have gay friends when you dont state wether or not you have  heterosexual friends is a classic case of taking a minority and using them to try to gain an advantage in a topic in which that sector of the community were not involved and had no representation to defend themselves from your remarks (real or imagined),this is just my opinion and can be perceived in several ways so enjoy it (or not) as you find it, Andy

[Prestige1]

You put your point across well Andy; I really don't think the political parties understand the depth of how ordinary working class people are becoming disillusioned with the whole isylum/Imigration issue. And I am sorry if this offends some people but the BNP Nick Griffin was interviewed on five live the other day and I couldn’t stop nodding my head in agreement with him, of course I don’t support the far right views of the BNP. But when he says and I quote “I will make no excuses if any of our new councillors put British born people in front of any foreign immigrants on the housing list, for far to long councils have been putting foreigners to the front of the queue, above those who where born here” he went on to say more which I also agreed with. It certainly makes you think on polling day?

[therapist]

If I went to live in another country, where my style of dress, my appearance, my diet, my religious befiefs, my mannerisms, my determination to retain my original identity, language, clothing and behaviour, which was clearly different from the general populace.
I would not expect ;-

to be welcomed
to have the public buildings and schools forced to put up signs in my home language
to have special diets available for my children
to have special rooms set aside at colleges
to have the populace forced to comply with my beliefs
to have my religious beliefs rammed down the throats of my hosts
to have my hosts beliefs devalued and their teaching stopped at schools
to have nursery rhymms / childrens stories changed in case they offended me
to traditional blackboards removed from schools
and there's more

what has become of the, previously GREAT BRITAIN

the word that comes to mind, is CASTRATED.

ROB M

[AJCleaningServices]

Andy, saying racist I meant "unlawfully discriminative", you may wish to find out the definition for that one.

The point is to see how many if any people would repeat resists remarks about me made by GaryJ.

...1) Economic migrants, Every year the vast majority of the (mainly) Eastern European workers would take a holiday back home, they would inform the taxman they were going home and obtain a rebate in income tax,then after their "holiday" they would return, how nice for them...

I am Eastern European, but really do not know what you are trying to explain here, if there was an opportunity to get a tax rebate the way you have just explained I would know it.

However, let me say that as in Lithuania and Poland (do not know about other EE countries) taxes are higher then in the UK, migrant workers have to pay the difference in taxes when they go back home.

...I am sorry if this offends some people but the BNP Nick Griffin was interviewed on five live the other day and I couldn’t stop nodding my head in agreement with him...

Phil, I also watch TV and saw his live interview on Sky another day, there was a lot of what he said I would agree with (believe you or not), however what I would like say here is that Nick Griffin said something like: "do not blame the people for what happens (he meant immigrants and immigration matters), blame the politicians".

[stains-away]

The point is to see how many if any people would repeat resists remarks about me made by GaryJ.

Just as an after thought on this statement, wether or not there was a racist statement made originally the above line could be interpreted (twisted) as inciting racial hatred, simply by suggesting that a comment was made and encouraging others to follow suit, madness I know, brought about by Tony Blairs nanny state and a few do gooders who live on another planet, as Rob said the traditional blackboard has been replaced in the classroom (in my sons school they use whiteboards), why should the English bow down to people who choose to move to this country for economic reasons?

All asylum seekers should claim asylum in the first "safe" country they come to, so why is there such a disproportionate number in the U.K?
Because the rest of Europe don't want them so ignore them because they know that they will head to England, home of the hand out, where they will fill shopping trolleys with food paid for with vouchers by the tax payers, while pensioners living on a pittance after years of work look on in between counting if they've got enough to pay at the till.

Need a house?
Come to England where there's a whole generation who live with their family or in private rented accommodation because they cant afford to buy a house and theres no social housing left because Thatcher and friends sold it all off.

Need a car?

No problem! There was recently a case where an immigrant was given £6,000 to buy himself a car because he couldnt walk to work and public transport wasnt available, with such a dislike for walking how did he walk through Spain and France and into a benefit office in this country, I wonder  
                                                        Andy

[stains-away]

Andy, saying racist I meant "unlawfully discriminative", you may wish to find out the definition for that one.

Then why didn't you say what you meant in the first place?

Arthur, believe it or not I am quite capable of working out the meanings of the above words without looking in dictionaries, may I suggest that your posting here is yet another attempt to ridicule somebody who posts something that doesn't suit you or your cause (real or imagined),may I also suggest that when you cannot think your way out of a situation (as demonstrated on numerous occasions) you seem more than happy to play the lack of understanding card,

I am Eastern European, but really do not know what you are trying to explain here

with reference "unlawfully discriminative", my interpretation of this could well be the preferential treatment given to foreign nationals entering the U.K to the detriment of the U.K and its citizens by causing a great burden on our resources, not to mention the watering down of OUR culture allegedly needed to facilitate the uninvited influx.

                                                                                                                              Andy

[AJCleaningServices]

Andy, I am a member of this forum and I am an Eastern European.  

As I believe there was an offending post addressed to me and Eastern European workers, I have started this topic in order to enable members of this forum publicly (not by the way of offending poll) tell me whatever they want about me and EE to me so I would be able to address it.

I am afraid, Andy, I cannot comment on your last topic, but find it very hard to believe that somebody would be given £6000 to buy a car to travel to work.  If that was the case it certainly was not EE citizen.  EE workers I should say that they are not entitled to any kind of benefits and I am not aware about any opportunities related specifically for them to cheat the taxmen.  

I live and work in the UK with respect to this country, culture and heritage of this country and of cause people in fact I love this country (believe you or not) and I am not talking here about the money that I am able to earn here.
Regards,

Arthur

[stains-away]

Andy, I am a member of this forum and I am an Eastern European.

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Thanks for the new information Arthur

[AJCleaningServices]

Andy, saying racist I meant "unlawfully discriminative", you may wish to find out the definition for that one.

Then why didn't you say what you meant in the first place?...

I do not think there is a difference between being racist and "unlawfully discriminative".

I am Eastern European, but really do not know what you are trying to explain here

with reference "unlawfully discriminative"...

My question was with reference to the tax rebate that EE workers could get going on holidays etc.

Regards,

Arthur

[stains-away]

I am Eastern European, but really do not know what you are trying to explain here, if there was an opportunity to get a tax rebate the way you have just explained I would know it.

Then it would appear that you do not after all know everything, by the way, the above quote is not a question, it is a statement, Andy

[Prestige1]

You all ought to see what it’s like in Hull!!! Or maybe not. We seem to get a vast proportion of Asylum seekers, let me explain a few facts, some one mentioned earlier about a car! well last year asylum seekers could get a voucher worth £2,500 for a car to share between 2, how do I know that I hear you ask, My brother in law excepted the vouchers at his garage, fact, not made up, fact, another fact from a close pal who owns a mobile phone shop, each family was entitled to a mobile phone to make calls within their local community, social would issue a voucher to the sum of x for a phone, my pal would supply them, he told me of a story where 2 Kosovans came in with a voucher for a phone, he told them what models they could have, they wanted the top of the range model, which he could not supply, he told the kosovans he can only have this cheaper model social would not pay for the more expensive ones, the kosovans left and said they will be back later, they came back with an increased value voucher for the more expensive model, how mad is that!! if you remember in the news the last couple of days the police in hull was searching for someone who should have been deported and was wanted for raping a girl of 15 and an assault charge, remember? then they caught him Thursday and it was in the news again? guess what local papers are saying? they have let him out on bail Saturday! I despair!!! With me it really is not racism however there comes a time when you get that sick of it you can be viewed as being racist. I could go on and on But I have to think of my blood pressure. Regards Phil

[AJCleaningServices]

OK, Andy, I will put it as a question:

How can EE workers claim a tax rebate while going on holidays?  Or please give here details of any other cases you are aware of where there is an opportunity for them to cheat the taxman?

Regards,

Arthur

[dustycorner]

Arthur,

I have to question why bring up this subject on this forum, if someone says something you don't find palletable just ignore it. You seem to be the focus of a lot of non cleaning topics recently.

This whole issue is both irrelevant to the forum we are on and frankly heading up a dead end. Can we just get back to doing what we are all on this site for to help, share our experience within our chosen field.

Cheers Mark.

[AJCleaningServices]

OK, Mark, I will lock it and hope moderators would not mind.
Regards,
Arthur