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Dave_Lee

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How many cables do you run.
« on: June 23, 2015, 05:15:30 pm »
Thinking of getting a portable back up to my TM. The portable machines available these days are more powerful than when I last used them and then one cable did all.
Owners of machines like the Airflex Storm or Alltec Evolution - as I understand it you need two cables as the norm, and if using an inline heater you need three. Is this how you run them, with possibly 3 cables on the go, and do you find this a problem?
Dave.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2015, 05:24:57 pm »
I'm not entirely sure but I thought that Alltec had a system where you plugged in and with a switch you moved from heater to using the pump...but I may be wrong.

Shaun

JandS

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2015, 06:41:57 pm »
One at a time....fill up plug heater in......start extracting unplug heater plug in power lead.
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Radek Jablonski

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2015, 06:52:57 pm »
no need 3rd lead for heater, simply plug it inside the house close to the wand.

Adrian Walton

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2015, 07:03:14 pm »
If using a twin vac machine you should only need two cords one for the heater and one for two vacs and pump, if you want three vacs you will need three cords.

Dave_Lee

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2015, 07:55:16 pm »
One of my last portables had built in heaters with a switch on the machine, so you would heat the water up first, but could also leave it heating as you extracted. With the inline heaters it obviously heats the water as you extract but is not in the tank, is separate so has its own cable.
Alltec say that the Evolution should run on 1 cable for the twin vacs and pump, with the heater having its own cable, so 2 cable max. They also say with the Advance and three vacs and pump needs 2 cables, so with the heater too, it is 3 max.
Cleansmart say that the Airflex Storm requires 2 cables for the twin vac and pump, and a seperate one for the magna heater. so again three.
So all in all, discarding the heater with all machines, as it has its own independent cable,
The Alltec Evolution needs just 1 cable to run both vacs and pump.
The Alltec Advance needs 2 cables to run the 3 vacs and pump.
The Airflex Storm required 2 cables to run the twin vacs and pump.

I just don't like the idea of having cables all over the place, it also makes it look like you are using an awful lot of electicity.
I know the Airflex Storm has more powerful vacs than the the Alltec Evolution, but requires 2 cables as standard, however in reality using the inline heater will be necessary because you don't want to be  just using it as it comes out of the tap, do you.
Is this how you guys that have these machines or similar run them, with the inline heater working all the time as you extract?
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

Dave_Lee

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2015, 07:58:01 pm »
Yes Shaun you are correct as I remember it on my Pro Plus. I think with the heater switched on the machine wouldn't work.
Dave.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

tim handley

Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2015, 08:52:18 pm »
im using my storm with two cables, hot water in tank, jobs a good un, works well, no hassle.......

Dave_Lee

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2015, 11:12:59 pm »
Thanks for replies, decision time soon.
Dave
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

john martin

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2015, 11:38:04 pm »
One of my last portables had built in heaters with a switch on the machine, so you would heat the water up first, but could also leave it heating as you extracted. With the inline heaters it obviously heats the water as you extract but is not in the tank, is separate so has its own cable.
Alltec say that the Evolution should run on 1 cable for the twin vacs and pump, with the heater having its own cable, so 2 cable max. They also say with the Advance and three vacs and pump needs 2 cables, so with the heater too, it is 3 max.
Cleansmart say that the Airflex Storm requires 2 cables for the twin vac and pump, and a seperate one for the magna heater. so again three.
So all in all, discarding the heater with all machines, as it has its own independent cable,
The Alltec Evolution needs just 1 cable to run both vacs and pump.
The Alltec Advance needs 2 cables to run the 3 vacs and pump.
The Airflex Storm required 2 cables to run the twin vacs and pump.

I just don't like the idea of having cables all over the place, it also makes it look like you are using an awful lot of electicity.
I know the Airflex Storm has more powerful vacs than the the Alltec Evolution, but requires 2 cables as standard, however in reality using the inline heater will be necessary because you don't want to be  just using it as it comes out of the tap, do you.
Is this how you guys that have these machines or similar run them, with the inline heater working all the time as you extract?
Im not sure of some of the things u say there  .
I thought the evolution was using 7amp vacs so doubtful they are running on one cord  ,  I thought the evolution had two heaters ... 3kw immersion for use with vacs off and 2kw inline inbuilt for  use with vacs on .
The non heated twinvac machines like the storm ... are two cords but u could run them from a one thick extension lead most of the time  if you wanted . 
Enforcer ?  one cord vacs/pump  .... second cord two built in heaters -inline/immersion



Karra Barford

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2015, 10:21:52 am »
Hi Dave,

The Evolution does use 2 cables.  However if you are using the Advance, without a heater, you only need 1 cable.

Karra

Dave_Lee

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2015, 02:38:45 pm »
Thanks Karra,
Weighing up options, want something with bags of power but nice and simple, awaiting quote from Chris.
Dave.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

Radek Jablonski

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2015, 05:01:25 pm »
why 1 more cable  or less is such an issue?
simply, more leads more power

I know karcher puzzi usses only one :)

Dave_Lee

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2015, 08:49:53 pm »
Thanks for the heads up, a Puzzi it is.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

COLIN BRIGHT

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2015, 10:58:41 pm »
its about time you retired ..never mind buying a new porty...you should be up a mountain somewhere

Dave_Lee

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2015, 07:25:37 pm »
Correct on both counts, but I cant be enjoying myself all the time, I'd get bored.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

Billy Russell

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2015, 05:43:05 pm »
I use the alltec express as a back up to my TM, yes it has quite a small capacity, but the amount of times I use it I wouldn't want anything bigger, the heat from it is unbelievable, a fantastic machine, if I was going to get a portable I would look no further than alltec, the machines are fantastic

Dave_Lee

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2015, 08:10:57 pm »
So is their service, thanks Billy.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2015, 08:20:48 pm »
There are a few of us that have the  Alltec express it's a great machine to have as back up or hard to reach places or just that little job, it's easy to lift and easy to maintain it's not a TM but it serves it's purpose very well and doesn't break the bank.

Shaun

david@zap-clean

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Re: How many cables do you run.
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2015, 08:18:52 am »
I always run 3 cables out from my Storm (inc. in-line heater). 
I often need to use 25' extensions to reach suitable power outlets.

It's not a problem for me.
David @ ZapClean
www.zap-clean.com