[JohnL]

impressive, but outside my remit regretably 

JohnL

[Chris A]

I picked up my trailer mounted 900ltr system last week and am over the moon with it, money well spent. I'll post some pics of it soon.

[Chris A]

[Paul Coleman]

mike
I dont think I missed the point at all.
you said  "guys using premium equipment attract premium customers charging premium rates" which now you say means "working easier and quicker" quite a different statement altogether.
 
I have many customers who have never seen a van or a window cleaner at their premises. ( early morning cleans) . the majority dont care what you are using as long as you clean the windows at a price they agree with.


as for the home built versus factory argument been such an old tale, I agree but I see you have no problem stating that your gear is better built than anyone elses. same tale really isn't it.

As for training, yes it' a positive thing, but just because I have'nt been to a certain company and done a certain course I should not be labled "cowboy"

As for people producing higher quality work because they have been on a certain training course, well come on its only window cleaning , hardly rocket science is it ? And anyone who "prduces quality work without going on a course is an exception!!!"  what?
There are probably hundreds of window cleaners on this site that produce quality work every day and have done for years  without any acadamy training.

regards

 sorry archie136 i dont know what a modeo is.

I did go on the BWCA course myself for WFP.  I did find it helpful though I felt there could have been more on the practical side.  If I didn't use the internet, I would have been a bit lost without the course.  Because I use the internet, I could have learned everything I learned on the course from the net.  However, the course helped to put the info under one roof so to speak which made it easier to digest.

I think a modeo must be a Ford car that jerks around a lot and you have to hang on to the wipers hoping you don't fall off it :-)

[Andrew McCann]

Now... they are SERIOUSLY IMPRESSIVE looking systems.

I saw the concept system at Windex and was impresssed by the look of it then.

Everyone has their own aspirations and viewpoints.

My opinion... if anyone in an area that doesnt already have one of these systems wants to make a serious assualt on the top end commercial work and is willing and able to invest in the future.. Get one.  Along with the branding. Its excellent.

Some very serious money and thought has gone into the whole "concept" here  (Sorry about the pun) Dont expect to just rake work in because you have the system.. but.. what a tool to use to back-up a well planned and executed business plan.

Cheers

Andrew

[gary evans]

Hi All

i agree this looks a good system brand new, but once that van is out working with employees on the inside is not going to look tidy i.e. 3 blokes & allthere kit & clothing.

But, most of all i feel that the poles are one of the most important parts of a system, i personally use Tucker, but we have a selection of other poles. Ionics etc, but, Tucker is still the brush & having emploees use them the best. But still have breaks at the weakest point but hopefully this will change with the new locking system.

I personally would not be happy or impressed at spending upto 20000 as stated then getting orange poles with vikan brush,s.

I have a lot of high profile contracts but feel we charge them a realistic price not an inflated one, but what we have to charge if the system was double or treble?

Gary

[Chris A]

Gary,
       You can choose your brush head or pole yourself. If your'e serious get the unger pole, if your'e not then keep buying cheaper models.

[Ian Gourlay]

Probably been answered before but have just been reading about Mikes new product.

What I have been wondering is would you use equipment such as the Concept for cleaning houses.

Or would the trolley system work better?

[Mike_Boxall]

Absolutely, you would Ian, Yes.

We've just added a selection guide to our website which covers what equipment is best for what type of round.

You can download a copy by clicking here http://www.sign-up.to/signup.php?fid=1083&pid=1627

Next week we're doing demos in Harpindon (Hertfordshire) on Tuesday 1st August and Nottingham on Wednedsay 2nd. If there's anyone in those areas that would like to see the system please feel free to give us a call on 0800 9154154 and speak to Dean Gibbard or Chris Ralph in our sales department.

Remember, you're welcome to call in to see the van in Malvern at any time but please call first so we can confirm it's there on the day you want to come.

Regards

Mike Boxall

[Customers4u]

Hi all,

Went to meet Concept 2o crew on Monday 11th, very impressed with they're professional approach, furthermore after 2 hours of discussions about getting additional customers for their clients, we were shown a crew at work in Caerphilly, we timed them and they had gotten through 10 houses in half an hour! so potentially could do 20 every hour!!

At £7 average for each 3 bed semi, this works out at £140 per hour, or £1,120 per 8 hour day.

Admittedley the round was very closed up, but the demo was in no way set up, as we asked to see the system in use at the end of the meeting without their prior knowledge.

If this system with the same conditions, was employed around my area of Cambridge the earnings would be closer to £200 per hour!!

So well done to everyone at Concept 20, for developing a product that, ok it costs more than most systems, but i would argue that most systems would find it hard to go at such a pace.

Also it is a system that can generate, £200,000 to £400,000 per year in income, when the crew learns how to operate it at the same speed levels witnessed.

So if you are serious about window cleaning as i know most on this forum are, it is defineteley worth giving Carl and Julie a call if you still have'nt witnessed its potential.

Paul   

'Doorknockers'

[P®oPole™]

Hi Paul,

Can you be a little more specific with your term "crew"

20 3bed semis an hour is rather exssecive. a crew of how many men, from how many vans?

Not that I doubt you Paul, but them figures are just a bit high, it works out at like 3mins per house and an 8 hour day would be 160 houses . How would "a crew" be able to carry enough water to clean 160 houses, Its not possible for "a crew".

I presume there only one up one downs, and to keep at that sort of pace consistantly all day is not likley.

ProPole

[Trevor Knight]

Stick to what you know Paul "CANVASSING"!

How can you possibly comment about other systems "not being able to cope" when you have NO knowledge of them??

Trevor

[Customers4u]

A bit harsh Trevor, on the comment front!

I was merely observing what i witnessed!

I hope you are not about to tell me i am making things up!!

The 'crew' was a 2 man operation, operating from one van, and the round has been wfp,d for 5 years, i admit that i have never had personal experience of wfp, but i was a traditional window cleaner for one year and have set up 30 wfp rounds so i do know a little bit about it!

Also in my experience of being a trad window cleaner, it was only possible to get through 4 houses per hour, 20 houses is obviously a much quicker and profitable rate, which is all i was trying to explain.

Stick to what you know Paul "CANVASSING"!

How can you possibly comment about other systems "not being able to cope" when you have NO knowledge of them??

Trevor

I do not mention anything about any system not being able to cope, so i really do not know where that has come from??

Hiya propole, there is no way that you could stick to that rate all day, breaks would need to be taken e.t.c.
But the rate we witnessed WAS achieved in the time described, all i'm saying is, it is worth having a look at the system,if you have'nt already, as we have worked with no other wfp operation that has beaten this performance.

Perhaps there should be some competition set up on the lines of the trad window cleaning comps.


Paul

[Moderator David@stives]

I have seen the concept2o and it is like many others it delivers pure water through an hose then through a brush head.

If they are making that much money window cleaning why are they wasting there time selling systems.

I have got a cul de sac of semis we just do the fronts for £3.50 a time they realy set up like dominoes , 2 of us do 13 of these fronts in just less than an hour but if you include the setting up time and travelling it is just over an hour .

This is about £45.00 in total , to get as fast as concept i would have to do one of 2 things

1 at least treble the prices on these jobs

or

2 do them in less than a third of the time.

I already work at a good pace and my prices seem to be near max for the area.

the jobs mentioned are open plan front gardens so i can just move from house to house just cutting across there lawns, so it is very hard to see where i could gain speed.

It sounds like you are saying if i bought a concept 2o system somehow things would change.

It seems funny all the manufacturers are saying how much we can earn and how fast we can do it. but you dont hear of any window cleaners stating any where near these figures.

I know one of the most respected window cleaners in London who charges top dollar who doesnt charge any where as much per hour for a team of 2 in fact £55.00 an hour less and he only charges so much becauses of congestion charges, parking etc.

I wonder what other manufacturers are going to tell us next ?

It would be interesting to see what Omnipole , Ionics , Tucker and the other manufacturers make of these claims.

Dave

[Customers4u]

Hiya David,


I was just very impressed with what was shown to myself and Karen, my partner.

They have 9 rounds of their own and plan to develop more , and also want to develop more rounds through selling their systems.

I would be more than happy to look at omnipole, Ionics and Tucker if i was invited, as i would like to have a broad knowledge of the industry.

However i am not an expert in the field of wfp as Trevor has mentioned, and am not looking to appoint myself in that capacity either.

I,m just sharing information that i have witnessed, which should be what a forum is all about.

Paul

[Trevor Knight]

A bit harsh Trevor, on the comment front!

I was merely observing what i witnessed!

I hope you are not about to tell me i am making things up!!

The 'crew' was a 2 man operation, operating from one van, and the round has been wfp,d for 5 years, i admit that i have never had personal experience of wfp, but i was a traditional window cleaner for one year and have set up 30 wfp rounds so i do know a little bit about it!

Sorry Paul but canvassing rounds is far easier than actually doing the work. I know as I have canvassed and cleaned windows for 15 years!!


Also in my experience of being a trad window cleaner, it was only possible to get through 4 houses per hour, 20 houses is obviously a much quicker and profitable rate, which is all i was trying to explain.

Stick to what you know Paul "CANVASSING"!

How can you possibly comment about other systems "not being able to cope" when you have NO knowledge of them??

Trevor

I do not mention anything about any system not being able to cope, so i really do not know where that has come from??

you wrote earlier "but i would argue that most systems would find it hard to go at such a pace." If that isn't saying that other systems wouldn't cope then what is it saying??


Hiya propole, there is no way that you could stick to that rate all day, breaks would need to be taken e.t.c.
But the rate we witnessed WAS achieved in the time described, all i'm saying is, it is worth having a look at the system,if you have'nt already, as we have worked with no other wfp operation that has beaten this performance.

Perhaps there should be some competition set up on the lines of the trad window cleaning comps.


Paul

Perhaps I am wrong Paul but it seems like you have spent time with one supplier (a good one at that) and now you see the need to sing their praises against other suppliers. I feel in this instance that your being perhaps biased, especially as you went there to help them generate new work?

[Customers4u]

You are saying Trevor that i have never done the work of a window cleaner, which is untrue,  i have a years experience of traditional and have set up 30 wfp rounds, in the last 2 years, none of which were as quick as the system we saw in caerphilly, so i would class that as most, would'nt you?

I am quite surprised that you are a bit miffed with my comments, when they are all true, is it because you build and supply your own equipment?

I have said in my comments to Dave that i would look at other systems if i was invited to, you can only comment on things based on facts.

But as i said to dave, i am not looking to appoint myself as a wfp guru!

Additionally we have no such working contract in place with concept 2o either!

Are there any Concept 2o franchises out there that can tell us how much they are pulling in per hour/day
And also any other system user, just out of interest?

Paul

 

[Trevor Knight]

You are saying Trevor that i have never done the work of a window cleaner, which is untrue,  i have a years experience of traditional and have set up 30 wfp rounds, in the last 2 years, none of which were as quick as the system we saw in caerphilly, so i would class that as most, would'nt you?

No Paul I wouldn't say that is most. Have you been and worked with every round and actually done the work yourself?? I know for a fact one person you built a round for that you haven't done the work with them so I think the answer is no! Do you know what method they use or which brand or equipment they operate? Probably not? lets face it, when you visited us you had no idea what system we used!

I am quite surprised that you are a bit miffed with my comments, when they are all true, is it because you build and supply your own equipment?

I have never built or supplied equipment to anyone so wherever you got that idea from god only knows!

I have said in my comments to Dave that i would look at other systems if i was invited to, you can only comment on things based on facts.

Exactly my point, you are passing judgement having visited 1 supplier so how can you possibly comment without seeing the other suppliers!!!!!!

But as i said to dave, i am not looking to appoint myself as a wfp guru!

Are there any Concept 2o franchises out there that can tell us how much they are pulling in per hour/day
And also any other system user, just out of interest?

Paul





 

[Moderator David@stives]

Paul

you had at least 2 really bad experiences with window cleaners on another forum, I heard of these before i heard of any good comments about what you do, All i ever hear is how you say how good your service is and not once do you ever speak of your bad experiences on this forum , you just tell people what you want them to hear,  you said of Paul S ,that you found it very difficult to find work for him because he is expensive for his area , after talking to Paul at windex i can tell you his prices are not much different than most people on this forum, so what you are saying is if Paul had a concept 20 system he would of at least doubled his hourly rate for him or he would of got through the work at least twice as fast. I know Pauls lads work extremely fast in fact faster than most because they are on a strict time scale and profit related pay,

I cannot for the life of me see how a concept 20 ststem can be any faster than any other system, they are all basically the same, filtered water,  a hose and a pole and looking back through the post the photo shows a fairly short and heavy hose by todays standard and an everyday extender pole with a vikan brush head which most people here possess.

Are you sure the stage was not already set for you, It has been known before many times.

I think most people here will make there own minds up, window cleaners are not as gullable as a some people would like to believe.

Dave

[Customers4u]

I did'nt realise i had to work with every round as well as my already busy schedule!! There is something called feedback, and a lot of the rounds that we have developed, tell us how they are getting on e.t.c and thats how i know that no other round has matched the £70 in half an hour rate.

30 wfp rounds is'nt a massive amount, but none of them can match or beat the rate stated

I was'nt insinuating that you build your own wfp systems, i was asking if you do that's all!

Is there a single wfp operator out there who earns £140 per hour as a 2 man team, with 1 van?

Paul