[james stanley]

About a year ago I was using hot water all day everyday, been using cold everyday though for last 6 months and not really noticed any loss of profit or speed since going back to cold ..... People say hot cleans better but now I am not that convinced ? I miss the warm supple hoses at times but not sure if it's worth buying gas and all the faff etc ..... What are your thoughts guys ?

[richard groves]

Hi James
I have not used hot so would not know for sure.
however yesterday I was cleaning a complex of several blocks of flats and got talking to a windy who was doing a similar neighbouring block.
He had hot water, uses it all year , he pointed out quite rightly that we clean our dishes with hot water and I'm sure it would remove birds mess stains a lot easier.
I looked at a couple of the windows he cleaned and compared to mine, end result same.
Not to say it isn't of use but on the whole imo it isn't needed.
The biggest difference I noticed though was I was using a 25ft ( supermax 40 with sections removed ) whilst he was using an extreme, speed wise we were about the same but he looked like he was having an easier time and less tired, it was only one block though and I had six !
Point being if I had money to invest and wanted to see a marked improvement in my working day and productivity it would not be spent on a hot water system.
Ok Daz, I know, I know, you've been saying it for months 

[SeanK]

All the hot water in the world wont clean dishes unless you add a detergent, some like it because it make the job more
pleasant in the cooler months but as for cleaning there's not much if any difference.

[AuRavelling79]

I don't have a hot water system as such, but I do have a self installed immersion heater.

The main benefit for me is supple non-kinking hoses in cold weather and knowing I will not have freezing issues. This last winter, down here in Bristol I could have got through winter with no need of hot water quite easily. I still stuck the immersion on for a few hours a night in January and a couple of hours in December and February to enjoy the luxury of supple hoses.

But in four of the last five winters there were several days I would not have worked but for being able to raise the temperature of the water.  And on some winter days it means I can start at daybreak instead of waiting an hour or two for the ambient temperature to rise.

For £50 - £60, what's not to love?

[Lee Pryor]

Hot absolutely does make a difference.  But only on things that are very dirty not regular cleans. We only use it for 1st cleans, con roofs, cladding and fascias. Also have it set low in the winter so we dont lose days to cold weather that would freeze hoses. We wouldnt be without it now in those situations but makes no difference on regular cleans at all.

[slap bash]

I used hot for 4 years them after all the break downs burst pipes I decided to dump the hot and now only cold and find not difference in the results. It would have been nice if it worked but the cost exceeds any results you might imagine on the glass. I have installed 3 boilers and they are not worth the effort.  There are just to many things to go wrong.I must have been one of the very first to use hot and I don`t think its a technology we need to produce clean windows.

[Roy Harding]

I have found snail trails and Bee pollen and bird droppings and Spider webs are removed a lot quicker with hot. And comming this time of year we have a lot more of that sort of thing.

[oliver collins]

If the weather predictions are correct then we are due to get another winter with the E Nino effect last time it struck up north in saltburn by sea I didn't clean any windows for 5 weeks  I wish I had a heater then to crack on cleaning windows I had loads of carpets to clean but still would have been nice to have the option !
Oliver rise n shine cleaning

[SeanK]

If the weather predictions are correct then we are due to get another winter with the E Nino effect last time it struck up north in saltburn by sea I didn't clean any windows for 5 weeks  I wish I had a heater then to crack on cleaning windows I had loads of carpets to clean but still would have been nice to have the option !
Oliver rise n shine cleaning

Wouldn't have done you any good, you still have to deal with the water freezing on the glass after you leave and
any puddles of water that might freeze causing somebody to get injured.
Then you run the risk of cracking the glass, to be honest I don't believe half of what the hot water users say on here.
Was that 2010 I think I lost about 5 weeks also as it didn't go above minus 10 for most of them.

[richard groves]

All the hot water in the world wont clean dishes unless you add a detergent, some like it because it make the job more
pleasant in the cooler months but as for cleaning there's not much if any difference.

thanks for pointing that out I had wondered why my best china looked so manky

[G Griffin]

All the hot water in the world wont clean dishes unless you add a detergent, some like it because it make the job more
pleasant in the cooler months but as for cleaning there's not much if any difference.

It will if you scrub the dishes, as well.

[NWH]

Any poler that says hot is no better has not used hot for any length of time IMO,I use hot hot water all year round even if it's 30degrees outside because I have found using hot water for several years the overall clean is far better. When you've got the experience of using hot the water is doing literally half the job for you,and houses that have trees nearby look clean from the ground but if you go inside you will quiet often see brush marks and dirty patches you've missed with colder water on the sides and edges. Not just windows I find cleaning any plastic-roofs-soffits with cold is really hard work even with detergents applied first

[rosskesava]

All the hot water in the world wont clean dishes unless you add a detergent, some like it because it make the job more
pleasant in the cooler months but as for cleaning there's not much if any difference.

thanks for pointing that out I had wondered why my best china looked so manky

You don't eat breakfast, dinner or tea off the outsides of windows.

Also as pointed out above, if you scrub dishes in cold water with enough detergent, they do still come up clean. Hot water only speeds up the process.

How are you Mr Bitt? Havn't seen you around for a while.

[Mist A Bit]

Its good on first cleans ect , but it is more of s luxury. I use it in winter. Its like having a posh car , I like driving my jag but a corsa would do the same job .
Daz has a v6 but he could of had a 2.0

[Dave Willis]

I only use hot in winter and then it's luke warm anyway. Washing the dishes is normally done by the Mrs wearing rubber gloves so I guess the temperature is up around 40 degrees. I would never use water on windows around that temperature anyway at the brush head so in effect my system can hardly be described as hot. Hence it makes little difference to the clean.
If you've spent £3000+ on a hot system then your going to say it's the best thing since sliced bread or look a twerp for wasting money.
For me it's chucking money down the pan when most of the dirt is only particles of dust anyway and not lumps of Weetabix.

[SeanK]

Any poler that says hot is no better has not used hot for any length of time IMO,I use hot hot water all year round even if it's 30degrees outside because I have found using hot water for several years the overall clean is far better. When you've got the experience of using hot the water is doing literally half the job for you,and houses that have trees nearby look clean from the ground but if you go inside you will quiet often see brush marks and dirty patches you've missed with colder water on the sides and edges. Not just windows I find cleaning any plastic-roofs-soffits with cold is really hard work even with detergents applied first

So how many complaints and how many customers where you losing before you converted to hot because of the above
problems with cold ?
I ask because as a cold user I don't seem to be losing any, if anything its the opposite.
How much quicker have you got since converting to hot ?
Again I ask because as a cold user if there's one thing I don't have a problem with or feel the need to sort its my speed.

[slap bash]

AS  I said above I used hot a long time ago and after 3 boilers i feel its a very expensive experiment . It put your system under a lot of pressure and it prone to brake down if you have not had this then you are very lucky.  Changing to hot really cost me a lot of cash just to be ahead of the pack. And if I new what I know, I would not have gone that root. As far as I am concerned its not worth the effort.

[NWH]

I lost no customers I went hot because it makes my life much much easier,the overall result is better like I said some windows look clean from the ground when using cold and if it's a regular job they will more than likely come up well. If you run a dirty plate under hot water with no detergent that has dried on stains  with cold will just wash over it and hardly shift it without scrubbing,if you do the same thing with hot water only in most cases it will completely remove it without scrubbing,so like I said it makes your life much easier so you have to scrub far far less and know you've still done a good job. This argument mainly comes from cold users as hot users no the benefits and see it as a pointless comparison,I also find it a bonus in summer as cold really struggles to remove yellow bee spots

[SeanK]

I lost no customers I went hot because it makes my life much much easier,the overall result is better like I said some windows look clean from the ground when using cold and if it's a regular job they will more than likely come up well. If you run a dirty plate under hot water with no detergent that has dried on stains  with cold will just wash over it and hardly shift it without scrubbing,if you do the same thing with hot water only in most cases it will completely remove it without scrubbing,so like I said it makes your life much easier so you have to scrub far far less and know you've still done a good job. This argument mainly comes from cold users as hot users no the benefits and see it as a pointless comparison,I also find it a bonus in summer as cold really struggles to remove yellow bee spots

No mate it makes your life easier as it gives you the confidence to scrub less, if you already have this confidence then
hot isn't needed.
As for knowing that your doing a god job its simple, if you not getting complaints and your customers are recommending
you to others then the evidence speaks for itself.
The problem with hot users is they keep having to come up with silly comparisons to justify the extra expense and
the fact that other are cleaning just as quickly and effectively without it.

[NWH]

I used cold for 3 years and the only time I cleaned cold again was when a battery went flat for a few hours until I had time to go my local caravan centre to replace it