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Spruce

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Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2015, 08:00:36 pm »
Spruce the only exception to that rule is the Transit 280 2002-2004 models.

My dads van is a T280 SWB low roof with a payload of 996kg. There was an error in the earlier models.

http://fordtransit.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=120541

I didn't know that. Thanks
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Smudger

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Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2015, 08:09:18 pm »
According to Parkers not all 260's are equal - some models have a payload of 740kg others 930kg, so you need to check the exact model.

Out of interest, I noticed this exact same question was asked on yahoo 2 years ago, was that you ?

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Clever Forum Name

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Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2015, 08:11:41 pm »
According to Parkers not all 260's are equal - some models have a payload of 740kg others 930kg, so you need to check the exact model.

Out of interest, I noticed this exact same question was asked on yahoo 2 years ago, was that you ?

Darran

May have been yes, as we got it about 2 years ago. There was confusion over the plates. 280 on the doors yet 2600 GVW

martinw

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Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2015, 08:14:08 pm »
Lower payload are most likely double cab versions.

tonycarr

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Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2015, 08:49:02 pm »
i run a T280 payload 1188kg, i have a 600ltr tank although if i fill it right up to the neck (which i do on occasion)  ill get 700kg in it.
 
T & J Window Cleaning services

Dave Willis

Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2015, 09:15:05 pm »
Don't forget the weight of a bulkhead, roofrack and leisure battery also the weight of the plastic tank plus the weight of any cage maybe a towbar too and spare wheel. Lots of people only seem to consider the weight of the water.
Some manufactures allow for the tank of fuel, some don't.

martinw

  • Posts: 243
Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2015, 09:48:46 pm »
Forgot to mention earlier on that newer vans should have mass in service figure stated in logbook which means weight of a vehicle with all fluids, 75kg driver and 90% full fuel tank.
Example lwb vivaro gross weight 2960kg
Payload 1243, Mass in service 1931 leaving usable load of 1029kg.
Ps
Not all manufacturers have been supplying   those figures to dvla in the past.

EandM

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Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2015, 10:43:27 pm »
The payload for my Ranger is 1210 kg so with a 400 litre flat tank and the usual bits and bobs leaves about half a tonne to play with.

6 foot load bay on mine, 7.5 on the regular cab + unlimited headroom and it's unaffected by water too !
I'm with Mike on this one !

Amazin

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Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2015, 11:41:58 pm »
no it wasn't me, never asked anything on there.

you can now check your payload on grippa tanks page:
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/payload-checker

very handy tool. ;)

thank you so much for that tool, now I'm more confused than ever.  ???

this is what I got after I typed in the reg number:

Quote
Body Style: PANEL VAN (INTEGRAL)

Colour: RED

Year of Manufacture: 2006

Car Make: FORD

Car Model: TRANSIT 260 SWB LR

Van Payload: 1020kg

i remember when I went to view it, it had a sticker on the back of driver's seat that said payload 805kg. so which one is it ???




Mike #1

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Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2015, 06:19:39 am »
Makes me smile that some lads on here will advise against buying certain 2nd hand vans (Royal Mail ) because they have been thrashed and abused .

I would'nt touch a van used for window cleaning van that has been fully loaded to just under its max payload  4-5 days a week for a few years .

As E&M  pointed out using a truck most 1 man operators will only use about half the payload .

Spruce

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Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2015, 07:12:24 am »
Makes me smile that some lads on here will advise against buying certain 2nd hand vans (Royal Mail ) because they have been thrashed and abused .

I would'nt touch a van used for window cleaning van that has been fully loaded to just under its max payload  4-5 days a week for a few years .

As E&M  pointed out using a truck most 1 man operators will only use about half the payload .

I'm with you on this one.

I was watching a Royal Mail van the other day and was reminded of the recent 'I wouldn't buy a Royal Mail Van.' This van was a couple of years old, full of dents and being driving by a lunatic - screaming tyres and full revs in each gear. 

This is the trouble when you have a fleet of vans that anybody and everybody is assigned to. We always looked at British gas vans as some of the best buys in the used van market.  One driver is/was assigned to that van and it was his responsibility to look after it. So overall these vans were in better shape.

It never ceases to amaze me how sellers describe the condition of their vans. I was in the market for a LWB, well cared for with reasonable mileage. I started looking about 18 months ago and still haven't found one. (I lie, I've found 3 but in each case the sellers were asking stupid money for them. ) I've given up and spent the money on painting my van where the paint was peeling but I'm still looking - a personal challenge now.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Mike #1

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Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2015, 07:31:55 am »
Their is a slight misconception about Royal Mail vans as the posties i know generally have the same van all the time and do look after them and class them as their van's .

It is at times the older vans and sometimes the posties that dont use the vans on a regular basis that are thrashing the hell out of them . 

SeanK

Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2015, 08:51:12 am »
Their is a slight misconception about Royal Mail vans as the posties i know generally have the same van all the time and do look after them and class them as their van's .

It is at times the older vans and sometimes the posties that dont use the vans on a regular basis that are thrashing the hell out of them .

Your spot on Mike, posties do use the same van all the time and are responsible for making sure they are kept tidy and road
safe, the exception would be on their day off when another guy would cover their duty.
Plus I would certainly buy a window cleaners van before buying one from a builder as driving with the van just under the
max payload daily will certainly be better than driving one that has been well overloaded now and again.
Plus the majority of window cleaners don't do big miles.
 

Amazin

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Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2015, 09:37:43 am »
i run a T280 payload 1188kg, i have a 600ltr tank although if i fill it right up to the neck (which i do on occasion)  ill get 700kg in it.

if your payload is 1188kg, then T260 payload should be around 900kg at least don't you think?

Scrimble

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Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2015, 09:39:05 am »
that grippatank payload calculator isnt always right, said my combo van has a payload of 550kg when its actually 775kg,

I have 500l tank in a vauxhall combo and it isnt overweight when full, depends what else you carry though, me personally think a big tranny van is a waste when a smaller more economical van can do the same job and cost a lot less

i wouldnt touch a postie van either, and I defiantly would never buy a window cleaners van,

ex BT vans are very good and imo are the ones to get

Walter Mitty

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Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2015, 10:09:50 am »
To add to my earlier post re payload.
I have a Renault Trafic - it's 2.9 tonne GVW (most are 2.7 tonnes).
It has a payload of 1.2 tonnes (give or take).
At the time of checking, I would carry:
2 reels with hoses (I'm a single operator but some of my work needed two reels daisy chained to reach the work area).
Several poles (+ rack).
Leisure battery.
Misc small tools.
Heavy duty jack* (see below).
Miscellaneous garbage.
An Omnipole 800 litre tank.
Roof bars with 2x3.5mtr ladder.
I had the van (with me in it) weighed at the local weighbridge (cost me a tenner).  The tank was empty and diesel was full (90 litres).
I was about 750 kg below GVW - meaning that a full tank would have put me about 50kg over.  However, I don't need to fill it right up even for the biggest days so not an issue.
If I had a day looming where I would fill the tank (long way from home, big job with filthy first clean), I just allowed the diesel to run down and travelled light with other tools.

* beware of jacks supplied with vans. I once changed a wheel and the supplied jack collapsed.  I was lucky that my fingers were not between the brake disc and the road.  Good old Renault.

tonycarr

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Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2015, 07:49:09 pm »
i run a T280 payload 1188kg, i have a 600ltr tank although if i fill it right up to the neck (which i do on occasion)  ill get 700kg in it.

if your payload is 1188kg, then T260 payload should be around 900kg at least don't you think?


it depends.....what YEAR it is,
 weather its a LWB or a SWB,
 HIGH TOP or LOW

tony
T & J Window Cleaning services

Amazin

  • Posts: 221
Re: have I got this right?
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2015, 10:05:44 pm »
Thanks Walter, very informative.  Just curious, how heavy is your water tank (empty)?

My van is T260, 85ps, 2006 2.2 TDCI
I believe I found the correct answer, (hopefully)personally I feel 1020kg is too high for t260 but 800kg sounds bit too low.
http://vans.honestjohn.co.uk/van-reviews/ford/transit-2006/?section=specs

I think its under panel van swb t260 then:

http://vans.honestjohn.co.uk/specs/detail/?v=FORTRA0001

so according to that:

Quote
Miscellaneous
Kerb Weight    1699 kg
Gross Weight    2600 kg
Warranty    36/100,000
Service Interval    15,000/12 Months
Fuel Tank Capacity    80 L
Maximum Towing Weight    900 kg

2600kg-1699kg=901kg

so the payload for T260 2006 85ps 2.2 TDCI should be about 900kg?