[stuart_clark]

Lewis

what machine did you use prior to the Jag and correct me if I am wrong, but the enforcer will only have one stack pipe as the motors are set in series, so even if it were possible to mount the motors in the enforcer in paralel ,which I very much doubt, you would have two vacs sucking through one stack pipe and you loose airflow and thats what its all about

Stuart

[Lewis Newby]

Lewis

what machine did you use prior to the Jag

I started with a sx2100 , then a pfx1350 (which cut off with around 18-20l in the waste tank)
Then the jag, and also an airflex pro custom as a backup

[stuart_clark]

Lewis

sorry for my ignorance but I am not familiar with those other two machines ! Was the airflex a twin vac ?

Stuart

[john martin]

Would the enforcer take 2 x  6.6  or 3 x 5.7 in parralell John?

If so im not sure why they havent offered it?

Stuart- the volume of the jag waste is 56l and solution is 60l. I have to empty just over twice before i even look at filling. I have had this on other machines also usually 50-60% before they cut off, but its safer for them to work this way imo

Lew

I think they are so committed to the philosophy of series that they would have no intention of offering parallel . 
Converting it to parallel  ?   anything is possible  .  It would not be just a matter of switching a couple of hoses .
If you had a metal manifold made that looks like two stages of a motor ... and had a 90 degree bend coming out the side dropping down , that could be inserted between the upper vac motor and the tank mounting plate  ,  the lower vac hose would then attach to the 90 degree bend ,  the upper motor exhaust would need a vent hose to the out side .   You could fairly easily switch from series to parallel if you wanted to also .
Another option would be to remove the top tank mounted vac and floor mount it up near the front right , then Y connect the two a attach to the tank hole .

If i had a thing about parallel i think it might just be easier to buy a parallel machine  , If not the storm
The Evolution would be a good choice   ,  quality ,on-board  heat , on-board silencer , twin stack   ...   
This chap demos his on youtube  , looks like hes getting good heat also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSMRUNf3hkI

[Lewis Newby]

Stuart, the sx2100 is a prochem steempro, and the other is a powrflite 13gallon heated extractor. Both 2 series 5.7 motors.

My airflex is 2 5.7 electros , origionally series but i recently switched it to parralell. Its a nice machine at 50' and needs only one cord

[Lewis Newby]

Thanks john, i wont be buying another machine for a few years now anyway.

The enforcer and alltec look quality machines for sure but i wouldnt want to lose that much airflow going to the series setup again

[stuart_clark]

Does anyone know for certain what type and size of vacume motors that are fitted into the evolution ?


Stuart

[john martin]

Does anyone know for certain what type and size of vacume motors that are fitted into the evolution ?


Stuart

Looks like 6.6 in this pic  . I think you could choose twin 6.6 or 7amp electro .

[Robin Ray]

Looks a great machine. I would seriously consider one of these if buying a new porty.

[SimonW]

so what's the final verdict people?  which machine should we buy as the most recommended/reliable?

[stuart_clark]

Simon
I dont think there is a final verdict ! Its either the Enforcer or the Evolution depending on what vac set up you require ?
But both machines have the power and heat including inlines and are well built, both are heavy beasts there is nothing between them realy


Stuart

[CleanerCarpets]

consider your maintenance - are you close enought to a dealer to get it maintained there? do you want to swap your own vacs and service your own pump? if you do you need to look at how easy that is - i had a twin vac Alltec and loved it but i think its very tight in the Evolution is you want to fiddle yourself - maybe not i am not sure. The Airflex is the best for own maintenance with the way it all seperates

[stuart_clark]

John martin

ive just come off the phone after speaking to ashbys and they have categorically said there new enforcer is only slightly more powerful than the original ninja

[stuart_clark]

John martin

ive just come off the phone after speaking to ashbys and they have categorically said there new enforcer is only slightly more powerful than the original ninja

[stuart_clark]

I supose you have to weigh up all the pros and cons when considering a new machine ! I realy like the evolution but the weight factor is a consideration,  its a lovely well made machine with tank heater as well as an inline , but it weighs 62kg and the thoughtmof lumping in and out of my van, my back is cringing at the thought !
The Enforcer on the other hand is very similar with having the two heaters but goes into the van much easier but is it as powerful?
The Jag ! Well ive got two Scorpys and have been very pleased with them as everyone knows, they are powerfull very light and reliable, the downsides is they have no heater and without being uncoomplentry are not that atstetingly pleasing to the eye, but hey ho they do the job and thats all the customer is concearned with
then there is the Storm ! A well proven machine , not as heavy as the altec and very easy to work on and I can purchase it from a very local supplier, cons there is no in tank heater and is quite heavy, but is designed to roll into your van without a fuss ! Disisions disisions !!! Lol

[CleanerCarpets]

i have the Airflex Turbo and so long as there isn't too much water in the clean tank you dont need to lay it on its back to get it in the van, the large back wheels mean you can tilt it back and get the front wheels up on the van then just lift the rest in like i did with my Scorpion. The Scorpion was lighter but the big air tyres on the Airflex and better weight distribution actually make it much better to move

[john martin]

John martin

ive just come off the phone after speaking to ashbys and they have categorically said there new enforcer is only slightly more powerful than the original ninja

were you talking to that Cath again     what happen to the guys that claimed 200cfm and made the Airflex comparison video  .
So if it has 17HG and 117cfm  ...  then it might be about 10% more powerfull than your original ninja , but it dont know the wattage motors  your ninja had 10 years ago .
So no its not dramatically more powerfull  ... but it seems to work well , as in can you find anyone whos bought one that isnt happy with it .
Like i said i never really used it as standard so im no the best one to comment on its performance , u could search what russ chadd had to say on previous threads .  As you said heat is also a strong point and would probably compensate for whatever u think it might lack .
But it might not be for you , the two guys that bought the Airflex pros her were not happy with series so unless the configuration doesn't translate as well to performance  in the Airflex for some reason , then series might not be everyone .
Mine is now running a 640airwatt 6.6 and a 580airwatt electro ,   when i attach a hand tool it whistles and it grips your hand til it almost hurts ...   so no changing from series for me .

also agree with last post  ... these machines might be heavier on paper but  'lighter'  in reality .

[stuart_clark]

John martin

if I had an electric powered hwe machine giving 325 cfm and 17 hg 240" of water lift would you buy it ?

[john martin]

John martin

if I had an electric powered hwe machine giving 325 cfm and 17 hg 240" of water lift would you buy it ?

I know thats the Escapes claimed figures 
if thats what your talking about i wouldn't just recommend it with experiencing living with it day to day myself  , i know the performance is good . There would be some pros and cons to running  it , but more in favor i'd say .  I think u could use it on most jobs but would really need to have portable on  the van also for jobs that don't suit .
But if a guy that actually runs one is here !  , as Robin  mentioned on the other thread ,it would be great to hear of his experience overall , good and bad .

[stuart_clark]

John

I can get my hands on one, a brand new one for the price of a storm ! Well nearly £3000
My only problem is how do I supply fresh water to it ? Not realy had any experience of that type of set up ! A guy I was talking to today from west yorkshire has one, and he swears by it but feeds his from the customers hose pipe