[Brendan (chem2clean)]

April the 21 st is the date when this update is supposedly kicking in.

[David Ware]

Yes it certainly looks like that's the way it's heading. Try putting your site through this...

https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/

Itt will give you some recommendations.

Be warned though, some things it picks up are actually impossible to fix so don't get too hung up about it.

Is it just me or do most of the "problem" customers come from mobile enquiries?

Thanks for that Gary
David

[garry22]

I never mentioned Wordpress.

I'm talking about any site. I would have thought non Wordpress sites would score more highly. There are though, often third party aspects that you have no control over.

As a marketer, the only figure I'm interested in is the load speed (plus conversions of course).

Is this good enough? It's a Wordpress site with a home made responsive theme by Artisteer (template maker) I would imagine the code is absolutely lousy. It's on an ordinary shared hosting account without using a CDN.

I can understand coders wanting to produce the perfect code but most people don't give a toss.

Some friends have a site that was done in tables with Microsoft Frontpage years ago. It ranks for lord knows how many keywords natinally and brings in about £ 700 a day I believe. When it was put through those validators there were on average, about 150 code errors on each page.

David, sorry about this. I put the page speed insights link as I thought it was a good simple starting point. I could have put others but I did not want to complicate things.

[derek west]

ive just tested yours garry and it failed the mobile friendly test.

[garry22]

The ones in the signature?

That's right Derek. Got the message from Google a while ago.

I've actually blocked one from the search engines. I thought it had been de indexed but not yet.

I'll let you off this time, you mischevious wotsit 

[marcus stacks]

Sorry I know you didn't mention WordPress it was just a general post not directed at you m8.

>>>I can understand coders wanting to produce the perfect code but most people don't give a toss. <<<<

Isn't that the truth, however there are reasons to start going forward.

1) Perfecting the code/speed is important for conversions, its been proven that if a site takes more than 2-3 seconds to load many visitors click the back button before the page has loaded, so you are actively losing customers. This isn’t a problem when on a broadband connected device but when you’re out and about on 3G that's when you see what a problem this is, especially if you have paid Google ads for that click! You can read some case studies about this here http://www.icrossing.co.uk/slow-pages-lose-users

2) There is also another update coming you guys should consider, Google is testing a red icon that says "slow" next to sites in its index that aren't up to standard, will people still click on your site if your site has this icon next to it?

>>>Some friends have a site that was done in tables with Microsoft Frontpage years ago. It ranks for lord knows how many keywords natinally and brings in about £ 700 a day I believe. When it was put through those validators there were on average, about 150 code errors on each page.<<<

Yes I have seen these sites as well, 2015 is the year you will see these sites vanish. Google wants to give their users the BEST user experience possible and only direct them to sites that provide that best user experience, since more users are now using phones on the go (3-4G) than the old days of PCS they want to rank the fastest/best user experience sites first, sites that have made the effort to ensure their users, (essentially Google's) users get the very best "user experience".

If your website is used as an extension to your leaflet campaign you have nothing to worry about, if your website is used as a marketing platform via Google and you rely on any organic traffic you will have problems with all the emphasis on speed and user experience coming down the pipeline.

There are a lot of dodgy page speed tests out there, im not sure I would rely on any speed test other than Googles own test tool.  if you want to know if your going to have problems with google rankings in the future always use their test tool to see exactly what THEY think of your website and you cant go wrong. https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/

[derek west]

The ones in the signature?

That's right Derek. Got the message from Google a while ago.

I've actually blocked one from the search engines. I thought it had been de indexed but not yet.

I'll let you off this time, you mischevious wotsit 

 

yeah one couldnt be read and the other failed.  my cheshire one failed but i'm phasing that one out, my wife's new one passed so thats a good thing. I've been testing quite a few and its amazing how many are failing, i think 40% is about right.

[garry22]

Yes I have seen these sites as well, 2015 is the year you will see these sites vanish. Google wants to give their users the BEST user experience possible and only direct them to sites that provide that best user experience, since more users are now using phones on the go (3-4G) than the old days of PCS they want to rank the fastest/best user experience sites first, sites that have made the effort to ensure their users, (essentially Google's) users get the very best "user experience".

Best user experience (UE) is also how people behave during visits to the SERPs.

Which result do they click on (get your copywriting up to scratch. I've seen sites jump several places on a page with "induced" traffic.

UE is how long they spend on the site and whether they click back to the SERPs. The site in question has most people staying for several minutes (many up to 18 - 20 minutes at a time). Why, because the copy is interesting to them (I think that is called user experience?). I know because I see the emails from real people who actually buy things online.

Our tracking tells us that they are reading right to the bottom of the page before contacting the company. It also shows a lot of other things that I'm not going to discuss on an open forum. It adds a few ms to loading speed but the information it gives us is far more valuable.

As to the speed tests, if you don't like them don't use them. I'll readily admit you are a far better coder than me. For the record, all future sites will be mobile friendly.

As far as internet stuff goes I'm small fry.

Outside of cleaning I think I only have say 27 websites and a couple of hundred Web 2s. That's far too small a sample to get meaningful test results. That's why I pay a lot of money each month to someone who has many thousand sites and knows a lot more than me. With respect, I prefer to take advice from them.

There are a lot of dodgy page speed tests out there, im not sure I would rely on any speed test other than Googles own test tool.  if you want to know if your going to have problems with google rankings in the future always use their test tool to see exactly what THEY think of your website and you cant go wrong. https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/

Would that be the tool I suggested using earlier in the thread?

[marcus stacks]

>>>Outside of cleaning I think I only have say 27 websites and a couple of hundred Web 2s. That's far too small a sample to get meaningful test results. That's why I pay a lot of money each month to someone who has many thousand sites and knows a lot more than me. With respect, I prefer to take advice from them.<<<

No need to get defensive bud!! My advise is not my advise, its the advise of either the search engines you want to please or the guy who invented the internet/HTML himself, Tim Berners (The W3C).

If the guys you pay allot of money for advise can dismiss the coding standards of the guy who invented the internet (the W3C) .... The same standards every browser uses to render a web page.... who knows, maybe your advisers know something the university lecturers who teach web application development and inventor of the internet doesn’t?

>>>Would that be the tool I suggested using earlier in the thread?<<<

Yes the tool you advised is impossible to please.. "some things it picks up are actually impossible to fix."

Which is not accurate

Sorry for anything you have taken personally m8, it wasnt intentional or even directed at you. I realise some people can get defensive about their sites if they have built them themselves or paid allot of money for, I was just asked by some cleaners I met here 4 years ago to come back and present some other useful verifiable tools and correct information for the community...

Anything to do with cleaning I would respectfully accept you are the man with all the answers for, and if you built yours sites yourself and its not your full time day job, as a 15 year full time hand coder I can tell you that you did a good job...

Best of luck with your sites moving forward!

[garry22]

Oh dear Marcus. This is just getting silly.

I agree that there is an upcoming change in the mobile search results that will also I suspect impact on desktop search as well. But...

What on earth has 15 years hand coding got to do with internet marketing?

who knows, maybe your advisers know something the university lecturers who teach web application development and inventor of the internet doesn’t

Yes they do actually. Of course they do, they are highly successful internet marketers. They make a lot of money online.

Which is not accurate as I can prove with my example site http://www.responsive.tattoowebdesign.com

No, let's go with your actual website.... tattoo

https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tattoowebdesign.co.uk%2F&tab=desktop
https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tattoowebdesign.co.uk%2F&tab=mobile

Whilst we are at it... At Uni, I presume you missed the lecture about readership?

White text on a black background is a big no no. Most big agency tests show it halves the readership compared to black on white (due to increased eye fatigue). Exceptions are overhead projectors, theatre programs and mobile phones in dark places (nightclubs). Web design basics.

Still on the site, stuff like this...

Your "Google Places" rank is controlled by your organic SEO, basically your "Google Places" rank and where you feature on "Google Places" is dictated by your organic SEO. You cannot have a places result and a “non places” result on page one for a search term that is in demand, its one or the other, why? So that Google can deliver “diversity” in the search engine result pages. Good Google Places ranking = Good SEO

Sorry. Just plain wrong. You offer SEO services and tell clients that? Unbelievable.

-HOWEVER I offer an unbeatable personal guarantee!

If you can find another company to put you up an additional website and run SEO, for a budget of up to 20 times higher than my monthly fee, and it ranks HIGHER than the site I provide, I will run/host/update/maintain the site of yours with me completely free for the entire duration the other sites outranks it for its "main key phrase".

Great to have an irresistible offer, but this one will break you.

There are half a dozen guys on here with a load of internet marketing experience. Wynn, Tony, Vernon and the others (sorry if I missed a name) will be killing themselves laughing at this thread. It defies belief.

Are you saying that if you charged £ 100.00 a month that one of those people could not outrank you with two grand a month to spend? I think you will have a shock if you get into the real IM world.


Why not just give the people on here some practical things they can do to negate the upcoming upheaval?

[garry22]

 

If there is anyone still here, I do apologise.

Give the boy a gold star.

Yes the site had a penguin penalty (bang on 24 42012) when it dropped from position 2 down to who knows
Yes the site has a Panda penalty due to "thin content"
Yes the code is awful (done years ago).

I also now accept that every internet marketer on the planet is an idiot (even the ones on £100k a monnth) and all university lecturers are brilliant

Derek, those are some of the reasons why I took it out of the index. Sorry mate, I never thought this would happen because I suggested that people should use a test tool to help them with their mobile stuff.

I'm out of here

[marcus stacks]

Thanks for confirming my Penguin/Panda diagnosis from a simple glance at your sites, not too shabby for a guy who doesn't know anything about online marketing !

Best of luck in your Google penalty recovery efforts buddy!

[garry22]

Watch out folks! The boy's got a backlink checker and he's not afraid to use it! 

Shame he didn't read post no 6

Could have saved himself a load of trouble.

That lack of attention to detail is worrying.

[marcus stacks]

>>>That lack of attention to detail is worrying.<<<

Indeed, my attention to detail is worrying...

https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.responsive.tattoowebdesign.com%2F&tab=desktop

For my clients competitors that is  

Have a good weekend Gary, get a few pints down yourself, life's really to short for hostility!

[Radek Jablonski]

marcus, do you make websites?
what is your standard price for a cms website, responsive, for a carpet cleaners?

[Robert Watson]

Nothing like a website thread to create conflict. 

[Radek Jablonski]

thanks
if i good understand, I dont own the website becouse need to be hosted by yourself?
Is this the only option?

[Forum Admin]

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[liviu pastravanu]

Hi there, may i have an email address or tel no, i am looking at building a new web site.

Cheers
Liviu

[Mike Halliday]

Or he could just click on your name To send you an email