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Tadgh O Shea

Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2015, 01:14:32 pm »
The stuff I use I can't find online, it's not the same stuff you get from homebase etc that's used for stripping paint.
The one I use is a shiny metallic type, coiled up into a ball.
I get it from a local cleaning supplies shop. It doesn't scratch where as the paint stripper stuff will.

Stainless steel wool balls....Just found them.

Chris, i think you are a bit all over the place with these, you say you can't find them online stainless steel scourers are all over the net and also available in every corner store and supermarket, yes they are a great tool for removing any really dried on crap from glass as they won't scratch glass, but i agree with Smudger if you are happy using them yourself rather you than me, not only will they scratch pvc they will also remove the protective sheen which Smudger has already pointed out to you.

chris turner

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Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2015, 05:10:06 pm »
The stuff I use I can't find online, it's not the same stuff you get from homebase etc that's used for stripping paint.
The one I use is a shiny metallic type, coiled up into a ball.
I get it from a local cleaning supplies shop. It doesn't scratch where as the paint stripper stuff will.

Stainless steel wool balls....Just found them.

Chris, i think you are a bit all over the place with these, you say you can't find them online stainless steel scourers are all over the net and also available in every corner store and supermarket, yes they are a great tool for removing any really dried on crap from glass as they won't scratch glass, but i agree with Smudger if you are happy using them yourself rather you than me, not only will they scratch pvc they will also remove the protective sheen which Smudger has already pointed out to you.

That's the thing tadgh, the ones I use I can't find everywhere, only place iv seen them online is alibaba.
There not your typical stainless steel wire wool as iv already said, they come in a big ball about the size of your first, are shiny and coiled up.
And what you just said is ridiculous, they won't scratch glass but will scratch upvc. I wouldn't dare touch glass with these things.
Given my repeated examples of how iv used them for years without any sort of problem I think iv become more then qualified to decide if these things are dangerous to upvc. If used correctly they are not. They are great cleaning tools which I will continue using.

Smudger

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Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2015, 05:13:04 pm »
You won't use them on hard glass ? But will on soft plastic ? Ok makes sense


Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

rosskesava

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Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2015, 05:24:55 pm »
That's the thing tadgh, the ones I use I can't find everywhere, only place iv seen them online is alibaba.
There not your typical stainless steel wire wool as iv already said, they come in a big ball about the size of your first, are shiny and coiled up.
And what you just said is ridiculous, they won't scratch glass but will scratch upvc. I wouldn't dare touch glass with these things.
Given my repeated examples of how iv used them for years without any sort of problem I think iv become more then qualified to decide if these things are dangerous to upvc. If used correctly they are not. They are great cleaning tools which I will continue using.

Do you mean this?

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duncan h

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Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2015, 05:28:27 pm »
I have used the cheap coiled up wire balls on my fish tank glass for 19 years, No damage. It plain glass with no coating, but it doesn't scratch glass.
I have used fine sand paper on upvc. Don't know about any coating but if its 199% UPVC then just keep sanding

chris turner

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Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2015, 05:37:49 pm »
That's the thing tadgh, the ones I use I can't find everywhere, only place iv seen them online is alibaba.
There not your typical stainless steel wire wool as iv already said, they come in a big ball about the size of your first, are shiny and coiled up.
And what you just said is ridiculous, they won't scratch glass but will scratch upvc. I wouldn't dare touch glass with these things.
Given my repeated examples of how iv used them for years without any sort of problem I think iv become more then qualified to decide if these things are dangerous to upvc. If used correctly they are not. They are great cleaning tools which I will continue using.

Do you mean this?



That's the one rosskesava. I was trying to upload a pic but couldn't work out how to do it from my phone.
Gentle rub over the frames brings them up great.

And no Darren I wouldn't use them on glass, I just wouldnt risk it on a customers windows , would you?

Tadgh O Shea

Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2015, 05:47:09 pm »
The stuff I use I can't find online, it's not the same stuff you get from homebase etc that's used for stripping paint.
The one I use is a shiny metallic type, coiled up into a ball.
I get it from a local cleaning supplies shop. It doesn't scratch where as the paint stripper stuff will.

Stainless steel wool balls....Just found them.

Chris, i think you are a bit all over the place with these, you say you can't find them online stainless steel scourers are all over the net and also available in every corner store and supermarket, yes they are a great tool for removing any really dried on crap from glass as they won't scratch glass, but i agree with Smudger if you are happy using them yourself rather you than me, not only will they scratch pvc they will also remove the protective sheen which Smudger has already pointed out to you.

That's the thing tadgh, the ones I use I can't find everywhere, only place iv seen them online is alibaba.
There not your typical stainless steel wire wool as iv already said, they come in a big ball about the size of your first, are shiny and coiled up.
And what you just said is ridiculous, they won't scratch glass but will scratch upvc. I wouldn't dare touch glass with these things.
Given my repeated examples of how iv used them for years without any sort of problem I think iv become more then qualified to decide if these things are dangerous to upvc. If used correctly they are not. They are great cleaning tools which I will continue using.
Chris if you don't believe they scratch pvc just use one of these stainless steel scourers on a piece of black pvc as the results will be instant, white can a bit more  deceiving but its your call to use them.

Smudger

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Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2015, 05:48:08 pm »
No mate, I thought that was clear, but your less likely to scratch glass with that than UPVC, but hey it's working for you, so I'll leave it at that

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

duncan h

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Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2015, 05:53:49 pm »
No mate, I thought that was clear, but your less likely to scratch glass with that than UPVC, but hey it's working for you, so I'll leave it at that

Darran
+1
It must scratch plastic. That's how it removes things. Because its fine, you don't see them that's all.
No reason why it would scratch glass. Glass has a hard surface, but ant coating would be removed, leaving plain glass....I GUESS

chris turner

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Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2015, 05:54:27 pm »
The stuff I use I can't find online, it's not the same stuff you get from homebase etc that's used for stripping paint.
The one I use is a shiny metallic type, coiled up into a ball.
I get it from a local cleaning supplies shop. It doesn't scratch where as the paint stripper stuff will.

Stainless steel wool balls....Just found them.

Chris, i think you are a bit all over the place with these, you say you can't find them online stainless steel scourers are all over the net and also available in every corner store and supermarket, yes they are a great tool for removing any really dried on crap from glass as they won't scratch glass, but i agree with Smudger if you are happy using them yourself rather you than me, not only will they scratch pvc they will also remove the protective sheen which Smudger has already pointed out to you.

That's the thing tadgh, the ones I use I can't find everywhere, only place iv seen them online is alibaba.
There not your typical stainless steel wire wool as iv already said, they come in a big ball about the size of your first, are shiny and coiled up.
And what you just said is ridiculous, they won't scratch glass but will scratch upvc. I wouldn't dare touch glass with these things.
Given my repeated examples of how iv used them for years without any sort of problem I think iv become more then qualified to decide if these things are dangerous to upvc. If used correctly they are not. They are great cleaning tools which I will continue using.
Chris if you don't believe they scratch pvc just use one of these stainless steel scourers on a piece of black pvc as the results will be instant, white can a bit more  deceiving but its your call to use them.

Iv used them on black, brown, white upvc, painted windows and doors, never had any problems. As long as your gentle they can be used on most surfaces to remove stains.

Tadgh O Shea

Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2015, 06:07:13 pm »
Chris, i have been using them for years on glass and never had a problem, i have tried them many years ago on pvc and yes for 100% they sure do scratch them hence why i would not recommend them for pvc surfaces.

chris turner

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Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2015, 06:14:24 pm »
Chris, i have been using them for years on glass and never had a problem, i have tried them many years ago on pvc and yes for 100% they sure do scratch them hence why i would not recommend them for pvc surfaces.

Cool. You keep using them on glass and il keep using them frames. As long as both our customers are happy that's all that matters!👌

Tadgh O Shea

Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2015, 09:16:17 pm »
Chris, i have been using them for years on glass and never had a problem, i have tried them many years ago on pvc and yes for 100% they sure do scratch them hence why i would not recommend them for pvc surfaces.

Cool. You keep using them on glass and il keep using them frames. As long as both our customers are happy that's all that matters!👌
Chris, no that's not all that matters, there are many threads on CIU that i don't post on because i have no knowledge or experience on the subject, if you take for example Chris you are a senior member on this forum and you are stating that stainless steel scouring pads will not scratch pvc surfaces (which is totally untrue) a new guy comes on here sees your post and decides to use one of these scouring pads to remove stains from one of his customers pvc window frames or door, next his customer sees all the scratches on their pvc and demands a new window frame or door, that new guy comes back on here shouting i took the advice from one of the senior members on this forum, just wondering Chris what would you do for him or say to him.

jwplasterers

Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2015, 09:26:32 pm »
Them S/s scouring pads Will scratch all the surface big  time tried before on a bit of fascia board, 4 years of cleaning windows and gutters etc not come across this staining before.

chris turner

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Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2015, 09:44:57 pm »
Chris, i have been using them for years on glass and never had a problem, i have tried them many years ago on pvc and yes for 100% they sure do scratch them hence why i would not recommend them for pvc surfaces.

Cool. You keep using them on glass and il keep using them frames. As long as both our customers are happy that's all that matters!👌
Chris, no that's not all that matters, there are many threads on CIU that i don't post on because i have no knowledge or experience on the subject, if you take for example Chris you are a senior member on this forum and you are stating that stainless steel scouring pads will not scratch pvc surfaces (which is totally untrue) a new guy comes on here sees your post and decides to use one of these scouring pads to remove stains from one of his customers pvc window frames or door, next his customer sees all the scratches on their pvc and demands a new window frame or door, that new guy comes back on here shouting i took the advice from one of the senior members on this forum, just wondering Chris what would you do for him or say to him.

I would say to him 'you scrubbed to hard, if you were less heavy handed and used the wool correctly like I have for years on end you would of done a great job without causing any damage!'.
Still waiting on one of my customers to ask for a new frame or door, won't hold my breath though...

Tadgh O Shea

Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2015, 10:01:20 pm »
Chris, i have been using them for years on glass and never had a problem, i have tried them many years ago on pvc and yes for 100% they sure do scratch them hence why i would not recommend them for pvc surfaces.

Cool. You keep using them on glass and il keep using them frames. As long as both our customers are happy that's all that matters!👌
Chris, no that's not all that matters, there are many threads on CIU that i don't post on because i have no knowledge or experience on the subject, if you take for example Chris you are a senior member on this forum and you are stating that stainless steel scouring pads will not scratch pvc surfaces (which is totally untrue) a new guy comes on here sees your post and decides to use one of these scouring pads to remove stains from one of his customers pvc window frames or door, next his customer sees all the scratches on their pvc and demands a new window frame or door, that new guy comes back on here shouting i took the advice from one of the senior members on this forum, just wondering Chris what would you do for him or say to him.

I would say to him 'you scrubbed to hard, if you were less heavy handed and used the wool correctly like I have for years on end you would of done a great job without causing any damage!'.
Still waiting on one of my customers to ask for a new frame or door, won't hold my breath though...
Chris, you know what i would love to take a video using a stainless steel scouring pad on a piece of black pvc just to show how easily they will scratch the surface. but what the heck you know best.

slap bash

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Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2015, 02:00:12 pm »
I have two mixtures I use don these one is Cream cleaner mixed with thick bleach. That will work most of the time. Or 90%cream cleaner mixed with 10 % ammonia from the hard ware store . A word of warning never mix the two ,ammonia and bleach. And only use outside stay away from the fumes were possible, so don`t go close.

paulben

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Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2015, 09:49:15 pm »
Anyone tried " T CUT " I know its a cutting compound but would it leave scratch's
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Tadgh O Shea

Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2015, 10:10:43 pm »
Anyone tried " T CUT " I know its a cutting compound but would it leave scratch's
Hi Paul, have never tried T-cut but am sure it would be much safer than using stainless steel scourers which scratch pvc surfaces very easily.

PoleKing

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Re: Upvc gutters
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2015, 10:11:42 pm »
Anyone tried " T CUT " I know its a cutting compound but would it leave scratch's
Hi Paul, have never tried T-cut but am sure it would be much safer than using stainless steel scourers which scratch pvc surfaces very easily.

+1.

I'd imagine t-cutting' be just like you'd do on a car.
Fine to do but you'd need to polish on top.
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